A strategy for BlackBox

From: Wijck, Bart van <"Wijck,>
Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2004 11:49:22 +0100

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Hi Doug and others,

It's important to recognise the real FACT that OuS is clearly NOT investing
BlackBox with much of a future, at least for the present. It's clear that
they have made a business decision (probably already years ago) that there's
no short term money in it, plus much of a future for a small company to
develop the framework. As they stated a while back, they have become mainly
a consulting company. You can argue forcefully that it's not very smart
etc., but that's their prerogative. I doubt we'll change their minds given
the present limitations (too small a market, too small penetration, too much
inverstment needed, big competition from others etc).

This does not necessarily mean BlackBox is a nice but unfortunately dead end
product. But we need to do something which will take us beyond the present
deadlock. Below is an outline of a practical strategy which might realise
that.

What we have for the moment is a framework that is, as someone nicely
expressed it 'almost there'. That's perhaps somewhat overstated, but most
people in this discussion group know exactly what he's talking about in
terms of the potential of the product. If we look at that we see that
BlackBox has 3 very powerful features:
a) The sheer power of it's View approach (the term view does not really
express it, it's more the ability to easily make very complex and powerful
'document-type' interfaces). I cannot think of another product which makes
this possible in such a neat and consistent way.
b) The architecture/RAD/prototyping excellence (easy to make complex and
well architectually solid applications quickly)
c) The efficiency (and stability) of the language and the framework

Clearly these features are for the most part very real, but unfortunately
partcularly a) is rather arcane and not very accessable for the uninitiated,
b) could do with much more guidance (multi tier etc.) and c) is a given but
could do with more promotion.

So what is possible? My ideas run as follows:

Step 1. Consolidation
a - The BlackBox guide for Dummies (rebaptised 'BlackBox, the practical
guide').
The purpose of this document is to begin (!) to unlock the promise of a) and
b) above. Newcomers are offered an easy way into the language and the
framework, more advanced users are helped in understanding and using the
more complex features.

b - Drawing in the periphery
Next. Lots of extra's abound in Zinn's website, O3 webserver, other sites
(think also of Oberon, Modula-2) etc. Some of it is very powerful stuff, but
again there's no roadmap / real guide here. It should be relatively easy to
link a lot of this into the 'practical guide'.

Now we have consolidated in hopefully large part what there is. This would
be a large step forward for just about everyone. Note this does not all have
to be perfect or totally complete.

Step 2. Some enhancements
Looking at the most striking Computing developments over the last 40 years,
then BlackBox is missing at least one crucial one: connectivity (web, XML
etc.). Note that the framework is not closed to that, just that it's not
developed very well. There's Stewart Greenhill Dbu subsystem, Zinn's Html
efforts, O3 web server, but not much more I can think of.
This needs some thinking what can be made of this.
Additionally it seems BlackBox needs a few extra simple general libraries
(e.g. like POW) like XYplane for simple graphs, plus some BlackBox
facilities need encapsulation.
 
Once step 1 has been achieved, step 2 should be within the scope of the
community too realise without too much effort.


With these steps 1 and 2 we have will have made a serious contribution for
exploiting the strengths of BlackBox for everyone.
Both are also essential to do this.

Only at this point does it become really interesting to engage with OuS. To
my mind the key to further exploitation of BlackBox is the Linux community.
Basically what is needed is really lots of open source type developers (for
free or otherwise) who will really build on BlackBox. Only then will there
be the weight of software to turn the heads of Engineering companies and
others. It would make a great deal of sense to offer a free or very low
price use of a basic BlackBox version for learning / personal use. Offer an
easy to join programme for developing software and give a architect's
version of BlackBox in return. Anything to quickly develop the needed
application software. Without that BlackBox is far too limited in practice.
So what is envisaged is simular to how Linux has been developed.

I have no idea if OuS will even entertain such ideas. Perhaps we can
persuade them at that time. For the moment though it seems to me too much in
the air to propose immediate Business strategies when the framework is nor
finished.

Let's see if we as a community can take a next serious step. It will be
worth it on it's own terms. If we succeed we might just persuade OuS to take
a next step as well.

Regards,

Bart

 

-----Original Message-----
From: danforth{([at]})nowhere.xy
Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2004 6:56 PM
Cc: blackbox
Subject: Competition


skulski{([at]})nowhere.xy

> The point is, if OuS were serious about winning new customers for the
> product, they would be doing such things left and right. They could
> use this community to leverage their sales. They would follow up on
> many threads and hints in this mailing list.

On this point and several other versions Wojtek has made I would like to
add an observation. Bear with me.

Some years ago, I worked for a small company of 12 souls whose main
activities were creating font cartriges for Hewlett-Packard printers.
The founder and president of the company had a masters degree from MIT
of which he was very proud. When I mentioned that another company made
a font cartrige that handled WordPerfect documents (the project to which
I had been assigned) he responded

"I'm not afraid of a little competition"!

I mention this because when I asked OuS several years ago why they did
not sell BlackBox as a development environment for Component Pascal in
the same way that Microsoft sells Visual C++ they responded (paraphrase)
"We can't compete in that market".

My thoughts then were: How big do you want to be?
If you are trying to be a Microsoft then I would agree with OuS. If,
however, you are simply trying to keep bread on the table for 5 people
then I would be wildly happy to have 1/1000 (0.1%) of the market that
Microsoft has!

Why be afraid of a little competition?

-Doug


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