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My first suggestion for an easy and practical enhancement to encourage
the use of this truly outstanding development environment is to make the
discussions of this mailing list more publicly accessible and less
transient - more on the lines of a newsgroup.
Currently we have a situation where 'In the past some such enhancements
have been mentioned' but they where are they now?
1. The easiest way (but not necessarily the best perhaps?) is to start
up a newgroup dedicated to Blackbox Component Pascal as a Yahoo Group.
See the Gardens Point Component Pascal Group to see what I mean:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/GPCP/
2. Particularly for newcomers, but also for the rest of us, it would be
extremely useful to be able to access all of the previous discussions
that have passed through this mailing list. See the Oberon Archives for
an example of how this could be done:
https://www.mail.inf.ethz.ch/archive/oberon/
Chris Burrows
CFB Software
http://www.cfbsoftware.com
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Wijck, Bart van [mailto:Bart.van.Wijck{([at]})nowhere.xy> Sent: Thursday, 1 July 2004 1:16 AM
> To: blackbox{([at]})nowhere.xy> Subject: RE: OMS announcement
>
>
> Glad OuS finally clarified things. All kinds of interesting
> possibilities may open up although that remains very speculative.
>
> For the moment, unless major new forces arrive, we are still
> where we are at the moment i.e. with a powerful framework
> which is not easy to comprehend and which needs some easy to
> use and practical enhancements.
>
> On the first issue I'm pretty busy converting my many and
> varied notes and try-outs to the proposed practical guide
> (see outline I communicated earlier). This is a big job but
> over the summer I hope to have done a lot of it.
>
> As to the easy and practical enhancements (which do not need
> a huge effort) I hope we could come to a shortlist. In the
> past some such enhancements have been mentioned. Let's hear
> from the community.
>
> Regards, Bart
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