Re: Porting to Java using Garden Point Compiler

From: [at]} <Rex>
Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 15:40:23 -0600

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        ??? Thanks for clarifying how it can be done, but I'm with Wojtek Skulski on this one. First, it is much longer than my example, and therefore harder to read.

        More importantly, in your example I had a real problem figuring out that procedure Area used procedure ValueOf. This crucial information is not presented in the interface--you have to look inside the procedure. In my example, the procedural variable is clearly passed to the function (i.e., procedure), and this fact can be seen from a glance at the parameters. My example is also type-safe and robust.

        I'm not sure we're making any progress with fancy programming.

Sincerely,
Rex Couture


At 11:47 AM 11/17/2004 -0800, Stan Warford wrote:
>With object-orientation, procedure types are redundant and should
>be eliminated, IMHO. You should design your numerical processing
>server as an abstract class, and specify to the client what your server
>needs to provide its service. Namely it needs a function of one real
>variable that returns a real value. You also specify the service your
>module is to provide. Namely you will provide an integration function.
>Here is your server:
>
>=====================================================
>MODULE NumericalProcessor;
> IMPORT Math;
>
> TYPE
> NumProcessor* = POINTER TO ABSTRACT RECORD END;
>
> PROCEDURE (n: NumProcessor) ValueOf* (x: REAL): REAL, NEW, ABSTRACT;
>
> PROCEDURE (n: NumProcessor) Area* (min, max, tol: REAL): REAL, NEW;
> BEGIN
> RETURN n.ValueOf (min) + n.ValueOf (max)
> END Area;
>
>END NumericalProcessor.
>=====================================================
>
>To use your service, the client is obliged to implement the function
>that you require. Inheritance is the mechanism. Here is a client:
>
>=====================================================
>MODULE NumericalApplication;
> IMPORT NumericalProcessor, Math, StdLog;
>
> TYPE
> MyApplication* = POINTER TO RECORD NumericalProcessor.NumProcessor)
>END;
> PROCEDURE (m: MyApplication) ValueOf* (x: REAL): REAL;
> BEGIN
> RETURN x * x
> END ValueOf;
>
> PROCEDURE Do*;
> VAR
> m: MyApplication;
> BEGIN
> NEW(m);
> StdLog.Ln;
> StdLog.Real( m.Area(3, 4, 0.001));
> StdLog.Ln
> END Do;
>
>END NumericalApplication.
>=====================================================
>
>The server "programs to the abstraction". Type checking of the parameter
>list is strong. The interface of the server module is crisp. I think it
>is a big
>conceptual improvement over procedure types.
>
>Stan
>
>J. Stanley Warford
>Professor of Computer Science
>Pepperdine University
>Malibu, CA 90263
>Stan.Warford{([at]})nowhere.xy
>310-506-4332
>
>On Nov 17, 2004, at 10:21 AM, skulski{([at]})nowhere.xy
>
>> How about the following. I typed this right now so not sure if this is
>> all
>> correct, but gives you a flavor. IMHO this is an illustration why
>> procedure types should *not* be dropped from the language. Purists will
>> say procedure types are not needed, but then purists probably have
>> never
>> calculated any integrals anyway. The bottom line: do not break away
>> from
>> 50 years of tradition unless you can convincingly argue there is no
>> other
>> way. Or, if you break away for puristic reasons, then do not complain
>> people do not want to use the language anymore.
>>
>> MODULE Integrand;
>> TYPE
>> FnType * = POINTER TO RECORD
>> END;
>> PROCEDURE (f: FnType) Calculate * (x: REAL), NEW;
>> BEGIN
>> RETURN x*x (*just an example*)
>> END Calculate;
>> END Integrand.
>>
>> MODULE Integrate;
>> IMPORT Integrand;
>>
>> PROCEDURE Integ (
>> func: Integrand.FnType;
>> xMin, xMax, tol: REAL
>> ): REAL;
>> BEGIN
>> (* call func like this: func.Calculate (x) *)
>> END Integrate;
>>

>>> If procedure types are obsolete, how do I write a library
>>> procedure that *requires* a functional parameter? Example:
>>>
>>> TYPE
>>> FnType = FUNCTION(x: REAL): REAL;
>>>
>>> FUNCTION integral( integrand: FnType; xMin, xMax, tol: REAL): REAL
>>>
>>> Sincerely,
>>> Rex Couture, Ph. D.
>>> Dept. of Earth and Planetary Sciences
>>> Campus Box 1169
>>> Washington University in St. Louis
>>> 1 Brookings Dr.
>>> St. Louis MO 63130
>>>
>>> Voice: (314) 935-4194
>>> Fax: (314) 935-7361
>>> rex{([at]})nowhere.xy
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