Re: Porting to Java using Garden Point Compiler - Procedure types

From: [at]} <René>
Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2004 12:30:29 -0400

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I second to keep procedure types as part of the language.
Here is my example for illustrating that the old tradition of procedure
types allows for compact, intuitive, artifact free, and very readable
code. This is (portion of) a Thread Interface for Component Pascal.

If we follow Modula3 style for a Thread Interface, we would have:

MODULE Threads;
TYPE Closure* = POINTER TO ABSTRACT RECORD ... END;
PROCEDURE (cl: Closure) Apply*, NEW, ABSTRACT;
PROCEDURE Fork* (cl: Closure); ... END Fork;

Then, What you need to do to start a new thread?.
Well, in the declaration part, you need to: 1)- define a Closure
subtype, say Cl = POINTER TO RECORD (Threads.Closure) END; and 2)-
Implement Cl.Apply procedure (which is going to be the thread body);
then at execution time, you need to: 1)- Create an instance "cl" of
"Cl", 2)- Call procedure "Fork" passing "cl" as parameter. These steps
do not seem to be a great deal; nonetheless, there is a simpler
approach: not to follow Modula3 OO style:

MODULE Threads;
TYPE Thread* = PROCEDURE;
PROCEDURE Fork* (t: Thread); ... END Fork;

What you need now to start a new thread?.
Declare the procedure which will serve as the thread body, say "Th" (or
do not declare it, may be it already exist in some library). You are
done, just fork it: Threads.Fork (Th).

I did not overload this small example with passing parameters to
threads, but that is easy to cope with. Neither I had mentioned that
when one comes to implement Fork, the function WinApi.CreateThread
requires a procedure (not a method) as one of its parameters.

Cheers,
René Dorta.
Universidad de Carabobo. Valencia. Venezuela.

Stan Warford wrote:

> Robert,
> Thanks for your note. But someone please help me understand this.
> I proposed to define the function
>
> TYPE
> Function* = POINTER TO ABSTRACT RECORD END;
>
> PROCEDURE (f: Function) ValueOf* (x: REAL): REAL, NEW, ABSTRACT;
>
> and use it as
>
> TYPE
> MyFunction = POINTER TO RECORD (NumericalProcessor.Function) END;
>
> I am trying to understand why this is so different from procedure
> types. The above literally defines a procedure type and allows
> you to pass a procedure as a parameter.
>
> (1) Is the problem one of requiring all the math functions in the library
> to be this type if you are going to be able to pass them as parameters?
> Would it be a major complication to have to wrap the functions this way?
>
> (2) Is it a convenience problem of having to write
>
> f.ValueOf (min)
>
> instead of
>
> f (min)
>
> I can understand your point if the answer is yes to either of these
> questions, although it seems that (1) would be the most problematic.
> Are these two points why you say that procedure types are simple
> and direct? Or are there some other complications?
>
> Thanks for everybody's feedback.
> Cheers,
> Stan
>
>>>> Stan:
>>>>
>>
>>>>> With object-orientation, procedure types are redundant and should
>>>>> be eliminated, IMHO. You should design your numerical processing ...

>>>>
>>
>>>> I do not disagree with your example, but who would ever use this
>>>> approach?
>>>> Your book on OOP is not among those that define numerical analysis.
>>>> "Numerical Recipes" are the foundation. It goes back to
>>>> Fortran-IV. If
>>>> anyone wants to calculate some integral or a special function,
>>>> they will
>>>> read Press & Teukolsky, not S.Warford.
>>>
>>
>>>> Along the lines of realism: one of our treasures is the

>>>
>>
>>>> huge collection of
>>>> numerical software published and maintained by R.Campbell.
>>>
>>
>>>> Please keep the
>>>> compiler compatible with his collection, not the other way around.
>>>>

>>
>>>> Wojtek
>>>
>>
>> By one of those ironies that make life interesting
>> Wojtek has chosen a bad example. In my Subsystem Lib
>> almost all the numerical stuff is procedural EXCEPT
>> the integrators and root finders.
>>
>> In contrast ALL the mathematical stuff in Subsystem Algebra
>> is o-o.
>>
>> However I firmly believe that procedure type are sometimes the
>> simple and direct solution to a problem and should be kept.
>> Just ignore people who call them obsolete, they are not.
>>
>> This reminds me of discussions about the merits of recursion
>> verses iteration. Some problems require recursion, most in my
>> area of work are simpler with iteration. I would not want
>> to work in an environment (FORTRAN IV or Lisp) that mandated one
>> or the other.
>>
>> Robert
>




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