Re: [BLACKBOX] Aw: Re: [BLACKBOX] [BLACKBOX] BlackBox after Oms - Forum

From: Oleg N. Cher <"Oleg>
Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2013 01:16:03 +0300

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Dear All,

I am sure that the Oberon community is too small to be separated. All
people who like BlackBox and, for example, hate AOS - will prefer pure
BlackBox-oriented resources. But people who like AOS and hate BlackBox -
will prefer AOS resources. Folx, it's very harmful for Oberons at all.
But I do not think the appearance of two (or more) forum is the
separation of Oberon community. On the contrary - especially if the
forum works and makes a real benefit to someone - it should be very much
welcome by anyone who is interested in the dissemination of Oberon ideas.

Only one thing. I want to ask what is Ofront? Ofront is a half of
BlackBox compiler (based on OP2), but AOS is based on ETH Oberon, and
ETH Oberon has the same half of the compiler. Do you realize how close
these themes to have a separate resource about BlackBox with the size of
half a dozen people?

About the other. From the start I did not set objectives for the
internationalization of the forum zx.oberon2.ru/forum. Maybe it's my
fault (I thought that the Russian Oberon community more active and will
be pleased Forum as just forum, and not to play politics who is on which
side plays). But I think the surest be centralized set of solutions to
improve BlackBox (although this is difficult to achieve). BUT
necessarily a DECENTRALIZED resource's administration.

Mind you, I am ready to share control (and ownership) of the forum to a
few people, each of which will be able to download a full snapshot of
the database, to have access to the admin panel. And be able to continue
the support of the forum if, for example, I'll die. Now I'm ready to
readdres the same question to the OberonCore - they are willing to share
their forum to decentralized management to people who are interested in
supporting the BlackBox even if the OberonCore will stops the BlackBox
support?

I may be poorly explained, but I want to know your thoughts.

Ivan, thanks for the high appreciation. :-) Maybe you are right about
OberonCore and BlackBox. Yeah, my forum is now by far the few viable.
It's a forum of one person (about half of messages are mine). And to
make it more viable definitely need people whose motto is "A set of
ideas embodied in Oberons + PRACTICE" who need a forum. But for the time
being so far I have met very few such people. So making the Oberon
forums is an unprofitable business - too much competition, but very
little turnover. ;)


*Gentlemen*, I want to take this opportunity to propose to everybody who
want to place links to their projects at the forum zx.oberon2.ru/forum
as well as the source code in Oberon, any unfinished projects, bindings
to libraries written in other programming languages, the projects
written in others Oberon implementations (non-BlackBoxed) and so on, to
send me. Even if you are not registered on the forum - I'll create your
own section with subforums where anyone can discuss and continue your
projects.

I again emphasize that the Oberon community is very small, so that
probably we do not have the right to withhold any of even the smallest
project. Thank you very much.



Ivan Denisov wrote:
> I understand that mail list is habitual and usual for many members and
> do not criticize it.
>
> I suggest the special new tool (3 days alive) for the bug tracking and
> development:
> http://redmine.molpit.com/projects/bbcb
>
> Believe me, that the most structured and moderated forum is
> http://oberoncore.ru and I recommend it for communication. I am not the
> author of this communication platform but I use it for 6 years and
> always satisfied. Boris and Eugeny (admins and moderators) says they
> will think how to internationalize it for more comfortable use.
>
> I do not criticize http://zx.oberon2.ru/forum/ and great work done by
> Oleg. He collects all the projects of a lot of programmers! And his
> forum is more Oberonic than BlackBox and that its strong side.
>
>
> Regards, Ivan
>
>
>
>
> 2013/8/17 Rene A. Krywult <rene.krywult{([at]})nowhere.xy
>
> Robert,
> no, Bugzilla is surely not the answer for all and everything.
>
> If we want to be a real OpenSource community, we need more. We need
> a website based platform including forums/mailinglists for BB
> projects, bugzilla for bugs and new proposals, a download area,
> manuals and eBooks, beginner's guides and so on. So, bugzilla is a
> step, but not the whole thing.
>
> And while the BB community is a subset of the Oberon community and
> needs good ties to it, we need to be an OpenSource community on our
> own, too, or BB will be history.
>
> Rene
>
> *Gesendet:* Samstag, 17. August 2013 um 14:04 Uhr
>
> *Von:* "Robert Campbell" <rdcampbell.98{([at]})nowhere.xy
> <mailto:rdcampbell.98{([at]})nowhere.xy
> *An:* BLACKBOX{([at]})nowhere.xy
> *Betreff:* Re: [BLACKBOX] Aw: [BLACKBOX] BlackBox after Oms - Forum
> Rene:
>
> I did not intend to use the word 'Forum' in a narrow technical sense.
>
> If we all agree that Bugzilla is the best bug tracking medium, AND is
> significantly better than we have today, lets go for it.
> Bugzilla is probably the kind of support infra-structure I had in
> mind when I
> wrote "structured forum".
>
> I don't know anything about Bugzilla. My guess would be that even if
> it forms
> part of a BlackBox list replacement, it would not be the complete
> answer?
>
>
>
> Oleg:
>
> A question for the community: Do we want a BlackBox specific forum,
> or to be
> part of a wider Oberon forum?
>
> I think we want a BlackBox specific forum.
>
>
> Regards
>
> Robert
>
>
>
> On 17/08/2013 12:19, Rene A. Krywult wrote:
> > Sorry, I don't see how bugtracking via forum is better than
> bugtracking via an
> > eMail list. Bugtracking should be done via something like
> Bugzilla, IMHO.
> >
> > Rene
> >
>
>
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