Re: [BLACKBOX] Blackbox Center

From: Oleg N. Cher <"Oleg>
Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2013 22:09:42 +0300

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Dear Rene,

Since we already have the center which consists of the 8 persons, and
before the other persons will join to the center, I'd like to clarify.

What (how do you see) are the rights and responsibilities of a member of
the center?

What (how do you see) are the rights and responsibilities of not a
member of the center? (We just talking about people who are interested
in using and improving BlackBox).

Center intends to deal only with BlackBox and components for it? Or is
possible other activities too?

Will it be considered commercial activities? Does the center to attract
developers for commercial problems associated with BlackBox or other
implementations of Oberon systems?

And maybe the answer to my question has to be provided by common opinion
of the center?



Rene A. Krywult wrote:
> Good, now I have understood ;-). I guess, we will have to be
>
> What you describe below, IMHO, is what all members of the "center"
> should embrace.
>
> So far, 8 persons have added their names and eMail-address to the center
> list. Tomorrow I will close the sheet so that only those that have added
> their names so far can read the document.
>
>
> Rene
>
> *Gesendet:* Freitag, 23. August 2013 um 13:21 Uhr
> *Von:* OberonCore <oberoncore{([at]})nowhere.xy
> *An:* BLACKBOX{([at]})nowhere.xy
> *Betreff:* Re: [BLACKBOX] The official position of the Russian
> OberonCore team about BlackBox Support
> (My English is far from good and I can't express the things exactly.
> Let's try simpler form. Sorry. E.T.)
> We interested to be part of the "center". And we will join tasks what we
> will able to handle.
>
> You can suggest some tasks for us in the following discussion. We can
> suggest some tasks to perform by us in the following discussion.
>
> Let's start a new theme 'BlackBox center'.
>
> OberonCore team
>
> 23.08.2013, 13:12, "Rene A. Krywult" <rene.krywult{([at]})nowhere.xy
>
> I still am not sure I understand the following sentence:
> "We are ready to be part of the "center" which will limited by our
> resources."
>
> I can think of the following ways to understand this:
>
> 1) If the "center" is technically limited to the OberonCore website
> and what is hosted thereon, then OberonCore is ready to be part of
> the "center". If the "center" f.i. decides to use an eMail-List or
> an other forum for global discussion/decision instead of the
> OberonCore forum, then OberonCore does not want to be part of the
> "center".
> 2) OberonCore is ready to support the "center" with its ressources,
> but will not be willing/able to bring in more than that.
>
> For me, #1 sounds like "Call it whatever you want, but either the
> center is a subgroup of OberonCore and/or user of OberonCore
> services, or we will not support it".
>
> I'm asking, because I do not want to misunderstand/misinterprete you.
>
> Rene
>
> *Gesendet:* Freitag, 23. August 2013 um 10:50 Uhr
> *Von:* OberonCore <oberoncore{([at]})nowhere.xy
> *An:* BLACKBOX{([at]})nowhere.xy
> *Betreff:* Re: [BLACKBOX] The official position of the Russian
> OberonCore team about BlackBox Support
> 1) We are ready to be part of the "center" which will limited by our
> resources. So the whole depends on that you are decide about the
> "center".
>
> 2) There is disambiguate of understanding "OberonCore":
> a) the OberonCore team.
> b) the part of Oberon Community which uses services of "OberonCore".
>
> OberonCore team
>
> 23.08.2013, 12:18, "Rene A. Krywult" <rene.krywult{([at]})nowhere.xy
>
> So, does that mean that you are not interested to be part of the
> "center", but only to *be* the center?
>
> So far, two who affiliate with OberonCore, have added their
> names to be part of the "center". Are they on their own in this?
>
> Or do I misunderstand something here?
>
> Rene
>
> *Gesendet:* Freitag, 23. August 2013 um 10:12 Uhr
> *Von:* OberonCore <oberoncore{([at]})nowhere.xy
> *An:* BLACKBOX{([at]})nowhere.xy
> *Betreff:* *** GMX Spamverdacht *** Re: [BLACKBOX] The official
> position of the Russian OberonCore team about BlackBox Support
> Dear Wojtek and Oberon Community,
>
> (Wed, 21 Aug 2013 10:44:35 -0400 Wojtek wrote:)
> > Thus, I am asking why you are doing what you are doing. I
> would like to
> know.
>
> We are work upon "Oberon theme" under scientific and non profit
> direction. And we try to adhere to the principles of its
> founder, Niklaus Wirth. For example, "I had made it a principle
> to have a language implemented and tested before publication."
> (http://oberoncore.ru/library/wirth_modula-2_and_oberon). Thus
> we are trying to publish results of completed work but not the
> work process itself.
>
> Dear Community, we hope what we said enough words to clearly
> express our position. And with your favour we want to apply for
> another principle which is like mentioned above: "Having learned
> quite clearly from the ancients, that to be is not to think,
> what then is to be? Do more, and do not just talk." When we have
> the results worthy to present, we hope that you will see them.
>
> P.S. Our plans to work on OberonCore assembly and the place to
> submit your comments and suggestions about it
> (http://forum.oberoncore.ru/viewforum.php?f=116) as well as our
> contacts to discuss any questions
> (http://oberoncore.ru/contacts) are unchanged.
>
> Best regards,
> OberonCore team
>
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