RE: BlackBox guide for Dummies: Proposition

From: Wijck, Bart van <"Wijck,>
Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 11:39:41 +0100

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All,

Thanks Rex (perhaps we'll woe you back a little) and thanks to all those who
have given positive reactions and suggestions.

Just to be a little careful as to the general expectations. I do not want to
start with the wrong expectations. This proposed guide is not going to be a
catch-all, i.e. help explain everything, be a fine beginners guide, provide
good patterns, provide the big motivation for BlackBox, explain software
engineering detail, deliver Christmas presents etc. And provide that in a
way that meets everyones idea how to present all this.

What I will attempt to do is to make something of a start on the things
mentioned above, apart from the Christmas presents. I hope it will be a
sufficient point of departure for the community to really build upon.

Just a few matters I want to emphasize here.
1. It will explicitely address beginners. Prof. Warfords & Brett Hallett's
efforts are real gems here, but there's a lot which is not covered. So
beginners are left floundering after that, which in the long term is the
death knell for the whole BlackBox project.

2. It will explicitly address the issue of "Why BlackBox". It's clear
BlackBox is not a general corporate (Big Business) alternative compared to
Java, .Net or the 4GL market. However compared to those it is precisely very
small, clear, succinct and for that you get something surprisingly powerful
indeed. Interesting in principle for individuals, colleges, teachers and
small companies which do not want to get into heavyweight software
development. In summary interesting, but it needs some precise positioning.
As this is my job generally, I'll have a stab at this.

As far as delivery is concerned I have decided to deliver in parts. This
because I found out that it is a big job, even at a general level. And it
will make it easier for the community to review and amend. Expect the first
chapter: "Why BlackBox" within roughly 2 weeks.

For those who suggested the Waki route. I am just too busy to add another
set of variables (learning the Waki editor etc.). Let me first have my
general stab at things using old fashioned Word etc.). Then this may well be
the route to go.

Regards, Bart


-----Original Message-----
From: Rex Couture [mailto:rex{([at]})nowhere.xy
Sent: Monday, January 26, 2004 5:05 PM
To: blackbox{([at]})nowhere.xy
Subject: Re: BlackBox guide for Dummies: Proposition


        I second Bart van Wijck's proposal. You won't attact *anyone* to
BlackBox without getting them started. At the very least you need a simple
explanation of its virtues and how to get started. I can understand that
the majority of correspondents, who have been using BlackBox for a long
time, want the same thing based on some exaulted major commercial projects,
but for everyone else you must start with basic programming "how to's".
It's fair to assume that the target audience already knows how to program,
but there are so many unusual features of BlackBox that there simply must be
a readable guide.

        You could start by explaining just why programs are embedded in
word-processing documents, and that to compile a program, one highlights the
name of the module, or whatever. Then you might explain the usefulness of
folded text, in writing readable code. I have not yet seen this feature
mentioned in a meaningful way. If OMS had been really serious about
presenting a marketable product, they should have read some successful
manuals of the past (e.g. Turbo Pascal manuals) and made an equivalent
effort.

        Just one caveat. For me, this comes years too late. Although I
have watched Oberon with interest for years, hoping to use it, I have had to
move on. Good luck with the manual.

Sincerely,
Rex Couture
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