RE: tabs

From: [at]} <skulski{>
Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2004 11:16:28 -0500 (EST)

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Fyodor:

> I'd like to defend Ominc here:

Your job description is to defend Ominc, my job description is to punch
them. Working together we may succeed in moving them from their current
encapsulation into the real world. They just need to defrost their minds a
little bit. Right now they seem to be deeply frozen intellectually in a
sort of Ivory Tower devoted to preaching Professor Wirth's Great Religion
that Good Stuff just stands out by itself. This is not true. They need to
come to CERN and show this great stuff is of real value to the audience.
They need to dust off their web site. They need to make it possible to pay
them with credit card. They need not to forget to put proper postage on
their mail. (Right now they do forget.) And so on. They just need to run
their business like a profitable business rather than a church devoted to
great Oberon religion.

> Of course Ominc could not foresee that BB would be such a great tool for
> e.g. scientific algorithm design.

They may not forsee, but now we are pounding on their frozen heads that
this environment is potentially of tremendous value and thus can bring
them real profits. But they must work on it rather than get even more
frozen.

Concerning lasers, here in the lab I was asked to specify the hardware and
the software configuration for the project. I crossed most of the software
that was on the page and I added "BlackBox" under "other" category. They
asked me where they can get BlackBox, so I told them the web site. They
did not bother to ask how much it costs. If we need it, we will buy it,
was the statement. If it turns out to be useful, we will buy more
licenses. Nobody here cares about a few thousand bucks for a project of
this magnitude. This is the kind of business Ominc are blind to.

I can only giggle thinking of the lab administration going to the Ominc
web site and not finding a spot to pay with either a credit card or a PO.

Ominc are a bunch of academicians devoted to preaching a past religion
while the world of technology is moving fast. Ominc are missing the boat
almost every day. Our job is to tell them up front how backwards they are
business-wise. You are gentle while I am rude. In other words, you are a
good cop while I am a bad cop. Working together we can perhaps make the
Ominc become more pragmatic.

W.

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