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As a computer's engineering student, I must say I only can agree in the main
points with you, but I'd like to give my opinion over some of them. I'm also
writing these lines because I thought a teacher could be interested in
knowing the opinion of the students (at least, of one of them). There I go:
>The students shall not learn how to programm, but they shall
>be prepared for their careers in the industry and there Java is demanded.
Well... Depends on the industry, isn't it?. I supposse that there will be
places where you still will be using Prolog, Ada or weird things like these.
I mean, preparing people for industry is not necessarily a synonym of
learning Java. Surely you would know the demand of the industry much better
than I do, but anyway: that's not the main point about this: I think that CP
is a great language to learn. Certainly, if you take someone that has never
programmed in his life, is much easier for him to start with the BB/CP than
with Java,which is much more complex and horrible in sintax (through my
point of view, at least). Once you had learn the main concepts (in C.P) it
is very easy to "change your mind" and "give the leap" to Java. In fact, I
think that in ideas, C.P is much more similar to Java than C++ is. But it is
true that in many places is too work-oriented, so, people don't mind much
about this kind of questions.
>Why shouldn't you use somthing like Java or C#, which is wide spread and
produces compatible code on many platforms ?
Everything will come... Better: Everything is coming. Isn't it?
>Why shouldn't you use somthing like C, which produces fast code ?
Apart of all you said, with what I again agree with you, I'd like to write
my experience: I had to make a very simple benchmark as a work in a subject.
I started doing it with a Borland C compiler. I made a few tests but I had
problems with one of the marks I had to do. I finally opt to do it in
BlackBox. Would you believe that the times I got in the marks I was able to
take in the C program were the same than in the B.B one??. And blackbox is
portable (Children: Don't try this of "speed measuring" at your Java's). I
mean, BlackBox is portable like Java and as fast as C (even faster,
sometimes). Don't know exactily why but it is that.
Mmmm. For C-lovers: There's nothing more explanatory faced with an error
that a blue screen saying "Ntoskernel error, starting memory dump". I love
that!. The only advantage you can think about is that this makes you much
more careful about your code, but, seriously speaking: I think today,
there's no chance for that kind of "error treatment" (if you can call that
treatment)
I have no idea of nothing (I mean, I'm not an expert in none of the
languages you enumerate) but I absolutely agree with your final advices.
That's the idea I had, but personally speaking I think Java is better for
what you say only because it is American... Ok I understand your faces!!.
I'll explain myself: Java is a "criminogen" language, with the same weird
syntax than C (well.. more or less). Probably the slowest "programs" in the
world are the .class running over a "normal" JVM
(A Java lover would say "- Oh it's because of it's harware-independency"
And me: -" I uderstand. Like C.P, you mean?"
-"Yes"
-"Rigth then. Measure times, pal")
whith unuseful and horrible limitations (where are the implement-only
methods?, or why do I have to put each public class in a different .java? or
why do I have to call the fkn*g .java as the class?, or why do I have to
wait nearly 1 minute for compiling?). There will be reasons, but I don't
mind about them. So... what was I saying?... Oh yes: Java is better for
Internet applications only because it has a lot of pre-developed modules. I
mean: In blackbox you can do TCP transmission, but you would have to program
much more than in Java, because Java has de "pre-cooked" classes that make
all your dirty work. Or the 3D "libraries".. And what makes this possible?:
The money. The money that strong american industries spent in the developing
of the language (well made by american enterprises, but this doesn't make
the language better, only easier to make some aplications).
Today, BB is the only truth. :-)
Buf!!. That's all, folks.
PS: Sorry for my "criminogen" english.
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