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>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Douglas G. Danforth [mailto:danforth{([at]})nowhere.xy>> Sent: 26 October 2004 16:44
>> To: blackbox
>> Subject: [Fwd: [BUGS] Port ClassicBUGS to Java byte code
>> using Garden
>> Point Compiler.]
>>
>
>> Folks,
>> Here is an interesting discussion on the [BUGS] mailing
>> list. BUGS has
>> to do with statistical modeling (Markov Chains Monte Carlo).
>> Just thought you might be interested (a little) or could give Bill
>> Northcott some comments.
>> -Doug
>>
>> -------- Original Message --------
>> Subject: [BUGS] Port ClassicBUGS to Java byte code using
>> Garden Point
>> Compiler.
>> Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 11:01:13 +1000
>> From: Bill Northcott <w.northcott{([at]})nowhere.xy>> Reply-To: Bill Northcott <w.northcott{([at]})nowhere.xy>> To: BUGS{([at]})nowhere.xy
>>
>> The following item appears in the 'ToDo' list on the openBugs site:
>> Port ClassicBUGS to Java byte code using Garden Point Compiler.
>>
I always wonder why. If it works fine in laguage A (Component Pascal?)
why port it to language B? If it does not, do you suspect it will work
any better in B?
>> Has anyone seriously looked at this? If so are they interested in
>> cooperating to make it happen?
>>
>> I had bit of look: got the Garden Point compiler, built
>> some short java
>> code programs with it and had a poke about to see what is in the
>> package.
>>
>> This is the list of things that need to be done as I can
>> see it at this
>> stage:
>> File name/format issues
>> 1. Oberon's Black Box uses the extensions .odc for
>> source files and
>> .ocf for symbol files.
>> GPCP uses .cp for source and .cps for symbol files.
>> 2. GPCP source files are plain text. Is there some way to do a
>> batch conversion of odc files to text in Black Box?
I would guess at most 20 lines to convert all files in a give subdirectory.
>> 3. Executable formats are totally different, but we are only
>> looking for source code compatibility. So that's unimportant.
>> 4. Black Box uses resource files like many GUI based
>> platforms. As
>> far as I can see,except for the GUI modules, these only
>> contain error
>> text, which could be incorporated into the code .
>>
>> Libraries
>> 1. Some BUGS modules import modules from the Black Box
>> base. As far
>> as I can see, except in the GUI stuff, there are only a few
>> of these -
>> Maths etc. GPCP seems to provide symbol files to replace these
>> functions with ones from the standard Java (or .NET) libraries.
>> 2. There are some potentially curly issues such as
>> WinBUGS providing
>> its own random number generator, because there does not
>> seem to be one
>> in the Black Box framework. Other platforms like Java or
>> .NET provide
>> random number generators. Should we use functions from other
>> platforms, or stick to BUGS ones?
1 - I don't know anything about the random number generator in Bugs.
2 - Very many 'Platform supplied' random number generators are rubbish.
3 - BlackBox does provide one (as an example) in ObxRandom. It is due to Lewis, Goodman,
& Miller, and is widely cited. It has a small (31 bit) state
vector which, in my opinion, makes it marginal for large simulations, and inadequate
for very large simulations. It is better that many, and among the best of its type.
For performance details refer to Donald Knuth, The Art of Computer Programming,
Volume 2, Table 1, page 106, line 19. He describes it as 'adeguate but less
outstanding', and '... have known defects'.
4 - There are two other random number generators in module LibRandom
(available from CPC). These are recommended by Knuth, have large
state vectors (upto over 6000 bits), some good proven properties
(eg virtually infinite cycle length), have passed many
empirical tests, and are widely available (any platform with
either c or FORTRAN).
5 - Fyodor once told me that he used a 'better' one with 'proven
properties based on chaos theory'. I await it's publication with
interest!
Robert campbell
>> Bill Northcott
>> School of Banking and Finance
>> UNSW
>>
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