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Bernhard Treutwein Tel. +49-89-5996-642, Fax -615
Institut f. Med. Psychologie Ludwig-Maximilians-Universitaet
bernhard{([at]})nowhere.xy -------------------------------- ---------------------------
C is its own virus
Here is what Ive got from the ACM editor:
> From jono{([at]})nowhere.xy > Return-Path: <jono{([at]})nowhere.xy > [...]
> From: Jono Hardjowirogo <jono{([at]})nowhere.xy > [...]
> Subject: RE: The Oberon Series
> Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 16:16:21 -0400
> [...]
>
> Dear Prof. Treutwein,
>
> Unfortunately, all the Oberon series of books were put out of print
> because they no longer sells. So, it was done for economic reason
more
> than anything else. Interests in the Oberon project are no longer as
> strong as they were once, so, we felt that it was time to retire the
> books from the active list.
>
> I do agree with you assessment that the project was of a monumental
> importance to computer science. For this reason, I am looking to have
> those books scanned and made available in their entireties on the ACM
> website. This way, future programmers who are looking for materials
on
> Oberon can simply take a look or download the materials in which they
> are interested. I am not sure when we can have this affected as it
does
> involve some logistical issues from our side.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Jono Hardjowirogo
> Publisher, ACM Press Books and Journals
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Deborah Cotton
> > Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 1999 12:16 PM
> > To: 'bernhard{([at]})nowhere.xy > > Cc: Jono Hardjowirogo; Deborah Cotton
> > Subject: RE: The Oberon Series
> >
> > Hello Prof. Treutwein,
> >
> > Thanks for the compliment, but I'm forwarding this to Jono
> > Hardjowirogo, ACM Press Books publisher, as this question
> > is beyond my scope. I was not aware that ACM Press had
> > discontinued the Oberon series, but perhaps he can give details
> > regarding the decision or refer you to the proper authority in
> > this case. Good luck.
> >
> > Best regards,
> >
> > Deborah
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: bernhard{([at]})nowhere.xy[SMTP:bernhard{([at]})nowhere.xy > > Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 1999 3:50 AM
> > To: cotton{([at]})nowhere.xy > > Subject: The Oberon Series
> >
> > Dear Deborah Cotton,
> >
> > sorry to contact you again, but since you were very cooperative in
> > my Copyright question about Reiser's Oberon System in April to
June
> > this year, I hope that you can point me out, whome I should
contact
> > with the following issue:
> >
> > AWL has finally shut down the whole Oberon series:
> >
> > [WiR92] N. Wirth and M. Reiser
> > Programming in Oberon - Steps Beyond Pascal and Modula
> > Addison-Wesley, 1992, ISBN 0-201-56543-9
> >
> > [Rei92] M. Reiser
> > The Oberon System; User Guide and Programmer's Manual
> > Addison-Wesley, 1992, ISBN 0-201-54422-9
> >
> > [WiG92] N. Wirth and J. Gutknecht
> > Project Oberon - The Design of an Operating System and
Compiler
> > Addison-Wesley, 1992, ISBN 0-201-54428-8
> >
> > [WiR94] N. Wirth and M. Reiser
> > Programmieren in Oberon - Das neue Pascal
> > Addison-Wesley, 1994, ISBN 3-89319-657-9 -
> > Translated into German by J. Templ.
> >
> > Shortly after Wirth's retirement in April this year. I don't know
if
> > this was done by AWL in arrangement with ACM, but I think this is
> > abashing (don't know if this is the correct english word, I'm not
a
> > native speaker) since Wirth has done pioneering work, which was
> > accomplished by several organizations (see the inlcuded selected
list
> > of honors, taken from: http://www.inf.ethz.ch/~wirth/):
> >
> >
> > Selected Honours
> >
> > ACM, A. M. Turing Award (1984)
> > IEEE Computer Society, Computer Pioneer Award (1988)
> > IBM Europe Science and Technology Prize 1988 (1989)
> > Member, Swiss Academy of Engineering, 1992
> > Foreign Associate, US Academy of Engieering, 1994
> > Orden Pour le merite, 1996.
> > Honorary Doctorates:
> > University of York, England, 1978
> > Ecole Polytechnique Federale, Lausanne, Switzerland,
1978
> > Laval University, Quebec, Canada, 1987
> > Johannes Kepler Universitaet Linz, Austria, 1993
> > University of Novosibirsk, Russia, 1996
> > The Open University, England, 1997
> > University of Pretoria, South Africa, 1998
> >
> >
> > Now my question: Who is responsible at ACM for such a decision>
> > (if the series was dropped by AWL in arrangement with ACM), or
> > how can this step be taken back, if it is in the interest of
> > ACM to keep this series.
> >
> > Thanks in advance for your advise
> > --
> > Bernhard Treutwein Tel. +49-89-5996-642, Fax -615
> > Institut f. Med. Psychologie Ludwig-Maximilians-Universitaet
> > bernhard{([at]})nowhere.xy > > -------------------------------- ---------------------------
> > C is its own virus
>
> From bernhard Fri Sep 24 10:32:31 1999
> To: jono{([at]})nowhere.xy > Subject: RE: The Oberon Series
> Content-Length: 1431
> X-Lines: 34
> Status: RO
>
> Dear Jono Hardjowirogo,
>
> thanks for your kind reply included below.
>
> Do I understand you correctly that ACM's digital library will be
> enhanced by books (currently I find only journals, citations and
> proceedings). Will these be available only to ACM members or
> also to everyone interested ?
>
> thanks again
>
> Bernhard Treutwein Tel. +49-89-5996-642, Fax -615
> Institut f. Med. Psychologie Ludwig-Maximilians-Universitaet
> bernhard{([at]})nowhere.xy > -------------------------------- ---------------------------
>
>
> > From jono{([at]})nowhere.xy > [...]
> >
> > Unfortunately, all the Oberon series of books were put out of print
> > because they no longer sells. So, it was done for economic reason
more
> > than anything else. Interests in the Oberon project are no longer
as
> > strong as they were once, so, we felt that it was time to retire
the
> > books from the active list.
> >
> > I do agree with you assessment that the project was of a monumental
> > importance to computer science. For this reason, I am looking to
have
> > those books scanned and made available in their entireties on the
ACM
> > website. This way, future programmers who are looking for materials
on
> > Oberon can simply take a look or download the materials in which
they
> > are interested. I am not sure when we can have this affected as it
does
> > involve some logistical issues from our side.
> >
>
> From bernhard Fri Sep 24 10:38:22 1999
> To: jono{([at]})nowhere.xy > Subject: RE: The Oberon Series (addendum)
> Content-Length: 645
> X-Lines: 15
> Status: RO
>
>
> I forgot to mention that I have already scanned (& OCR'ed) chapter
> 14 of Reiser's Oberon System and got the permission to use it for
> documentation purposes. Getting the permission was an awful
experience
> of getting handed from ACM (Deborah Cotton) via several stages to
> Pearson during several months.
>
> Maybe others in the (small) Oberon community would be volunteer ...
>
> regards
>
> Bernhard Treutwein Tel. +49-89-5996-642, Fax -615
> Institut f. Med. Psychologie Ludwig-Maximilians-Universitaet
> bernhard{([at]})nowhere.xy > -------------------------------- ---------------------------
>
> From jono{([at]})nowhere.xy > [...]
> From: Jono Hardjowirogo <jono{([at]})nowhere.xy > [...]
> Subject: RE: The Oberon Series
> Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 09:02:48 -0400
> [...]
>
> Prof Treutwein,
>
> Most likely they will be available to everyone, not just ACM members.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Jono Hardjowirogo
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: bernhard{([at]})nowhere.xy[SMTP:bernhard{([at]})nowhere.xy > > Sent: Friday, September 24, 1999 4:33 AM
> > To: jono{([at]})nowhere.xy > > Subject: RE: The Oberon Series
> >
> > Dear Jono Hardjowirogo,
> >
> > thanks for your kind reply included below.
> >
> > Do I understand you correctly that ACM's digital library will be
> > enhanced by books (currently I find only journals, citations and
> > proceedings). Will these be available only to ACM members or
> > also to everyone interested ?
> >
> > thanks again
> >
> > Bernhard Treutwein Tel. +49-89-5996-642, Fax -615
> > Institut f. Med. Psychologie Ludwig-Maximilians-Universitaet
> > bernhard{([at]})nowhere.xy > > -------------------------------- ---------------------------
> >
> >
> > > From jono{([at]})nowhere.xy > > [...]
> > >
> > > Unfortunately, all the Oberon series of books were put out of
print
> > > because they no longer sells. So, it was done for economic reason
more
> > > than anything else. Interests in the Oberon project are no longer
as
> > > strong as they were once, so, we felt that it was time to retire
the
> > > books from the active list.
> > >
> > > I do agree with you assessment that the project was of a
monumental
> > > importance to computer science. For this reason, I am looking to
have
> > > those books scanned and made available in their entireties on the
ACM
> > > website. This way, future programmers who are looking for
materials on
> > > Oberon can simply take a look or download the materials in which
they
> > > are interested. I am not sure when we can have this affected as
it does
> > > involve some logistical issues from our side.
> > >
>
> From jono{([at]})nowhere.xy > [...]
> From: Jono Hardjowirogo <jono{([at]})nowhere.xy > [...]
> Subject: RE: The Oberon Series (addendum)
> Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 09:09:32 -0400
> [...]
>
> Prof. Treutwein,
>
> Sorry for your experience. Often after such an experience one would
be
> more sympathetic to those who pirate works out of frustration. I have
> on occasion spent months tracking rights of a work that's not even as
> important as Oberon.
>
> Thank you for your offer for the use of the Oberon community. When
the
> time comes, I may want to contact you for this purpose.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Jono Hardjowirogo
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: bernhard{([at]})nowhere.xy[SMTP:bernhard{([at]})nowhere.xy > > Sent: Friday, September 24, 1999 4:38 AM
> > To: jono{([at]})nowhere.xy > > Subject: RE: The Oberon Series (addendum)
> >
> >
> > I forgot to mention that I have already scanned (& OCR'ed) chapter
> > 14 of Reiser's Oberon System and got the permission to use it for
> > documentation purposes. Getting the permission was an awful
experience
> > of getting handed from ACM (Deborah Cotton) via several stages to
> > Pearson during several months.
> >
> > Maybe others in the (small) Oberon community would be volunteer ...
> >
> > regards
> >
> > Bernhard Treutwein Tel. +49-89-5996-642, Fax -615
> > Institut f. Med. Psychologie Ludwig-Maximilians-Universitaet
> > bernhard{([at]})nowhere.xy > > -------------------------------- ---------------------------
>
>
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