-- Bernhard Treutwein Tel. +49-89-5996-642, Fax -615 Institut f. Med. Psychologie Ludwig-Maximilians-Universitaet bernhard{([at]})nowhere.xy -------------------------------- --------------------------- C is its own virus Here is what Ive got from the ACM editor: > From jono{([at]})nowhere.xy > Return-Path: <jono{([at]})nowhere.xy > [...] > From: Jono Hardjowirogo <jono{([at]})nowhere.xy > [...] > Subject: RE: The Oberon Series > Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 16:16:21 -0400 > [...] > > Dear Prof. Treutwein, > > Unfortunately, all the Oberon series of books were put out of print > because they no longer sells. So, it was done for economic reason more > than anything else. Interests in the Oberon project are no longer as > strong as they were once, so, we felt that it was time to retire the > books from the active list. > > I do agree with you assessment that the project was of a monumental > importance to computer science. For this reason, I am looking to have > those books scanned and made available in their entireties on the ACM > website. This way, future programmers who are looking for materials on > Oberon can simply take a look or download the materials in which they > are interested. I am not sure when we can have this affected as it does > involve some logistical issues from our side. > > Best regards, > > Jono Hardjowirogo > Publisher, ACM Press Books and Journals > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Deborah Cotton > > Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 1999 12:16 PM > > To: 'bernhard{([at]})nowhere.xy > > Cc: Jono Hardjowirogo; Deborah Cotton > > Subject: RE: The Oberon Series > > > > Hello Prof. Treutwein, > > > > Thanks for the compliment, but I'm forwarding this to Jono > > Hardjowirogo, ACM Press Books publisher, as this question > > is beyond my scope. I was not aware that ACM Press had > > discontinued the Oberon series, but perhaps he can give details > > regarding the decision or refer you to the proper authority in > > this case. Good luck. > > > > Best regards, > > > > Deborah > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: bernhard{([at]})nowhere.xy[SMTP:bernhard{([at]})nowhere.xy > > Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 1999 3:50 AM > > To: cotton{([at]})nowhere.xy > > Subject: The Oberon Series > > > > Dear Deborah Cotton, > > > > sorry to contact you again, but since you were very cooperative in > > my Copyright question about Reiser's Oberon System in April to June > > this year, I hope that you can point me out, whome I should contact > > with the following issue: > > > > AWL has finally shut down the whole Oberon series: > > > > [WiR92] N. Wirth and M. Reiser > > Programming in Oberon - Steps Beyond Pascal and Modula > > Addison-Wesley, 1992, ISBN 0-201-56543-9 > > > > [Rei92] M. Reiser > > The Oberon System; User Guide and Programmer's Manual > > Addison-Wesley, 1992, ISBN 0-201-54422-9 > > > > [WiG92] N. Wirth and J. Gutknecht > > Project Oberon - The Design of an Operating System and Compiler > > Addison-Wesley, 1992, ISBN 0-201-54428-8 > > > > [WiR94] N. Wirth and M. Reiser > > Programmieren in Oberon - Das neue Pascal > > Addison-Wesley, 1994, ISBN 3-89319-657-9 - > > Translated into German by J. Templ. > > > > Shortly after Wirth's retirement in April this year. I don't know if > > this was done by AWL in arrangement with ACM, but I think this is > > abashing (don't know if this is the correct english word, I'm not a > > native speaker) since Wirth has done pioneering work, which was > > accomplished by several organizations (see the inlcuded selected list > > of honors, taken from: http://www.inf.ethz.ch/~wirth/): > > > > > > Selected Honours > > > > ACM, A. M. Turing Award (1984) > > IEEE Computer Society, Computer Pioneer Award (1988) > > IBM Europe Science and Technology Prize 1988 (1989) > > Member, Swiss Academy of Engineering, 1992 > > Foreign Associate, US Academy of Engieering, 1994 > > Orden Pour le merite, 1996. > > Honorary Doctorates: > > University of York, England, 1978 > > Ecole Polytechnique Federale, Lausanne, Switzerland, 1978 > > Laval University, Quebec, Canada, 1987 > > Johannes Kepler Universitaet Linz, Austria, 1993 > > University of Novosibirsk, Russia, 1996 > > The Open University, England, 1997 > > University of Pretoria, South Africa, 1998 > > > > > > Now my question: Who is responsible at ACM for such a decision> > > (if the series was dropped by AWL in arrangement with ACM), or > > how can this step be taken back, if it is in the interest of > > ACM to keep this series. > > > > Thanks in advance for your advise > > -- > > Bernhard Treutwein Tel. +49-89-5996-642, Fax -615 > > Institut f. Med. Psychologie Ludwig-Maximilians-Universitaet > > bernhard{([at]})nowhere.xy > > -------------------------------- --------------------------- > > C is its own virus > > From bernhard Fri Sep 24 10:32:31 1999 > To: jono{([at]})nowhere.xy > Subject: RE: The Oberon Series > Content-Length: 1431 > X-Lines: 34 > Status: RO > > Dear Jono Hardjowirogo, > > thanks for your kind reply included below. > > Do I understand you correctly that ACM's digital library will be > enhanced by books (currently I find only journals, citations and > proceedings). Will these be available only to ACM members or > also to everyone interested ? > > thanks again > > Bernhard Treutwein Tel. +49-89-5996-642, Fax -615 > Institut f. Med. Psychologie Ludwig-Maximilians-Universitaet > bernhard{([at]})nowhere.xy > -------------------------------- --------------------------- > > > > From jono{([at]})nowhere.xy > [...] > > > > Unfortunately, all the Oberon series of books were put out of print > > because they no longer sells. So, it was done for economic reason more > > than anything else. Interests in the Oberon project are no longer as > > strong as they were once, so, we felt that it was time to retire the > > books from the active list. > > > > I do agree with you assessment that the project was of a monumental > > importance to computer science. For this reason, I am looking to have > > those books scanned and made available in their entireties on the ACM > > website. This way, future programmers who are looking for materials on > > Oberon can simply take a look or download the materials in which they > > are interested. I am not sure when we can have this affected as it does > > involve some logistical issues from our side. > > > > From bernhard Fri Sep 24 10:38:22 1999 > To: jono{([at]})nowhere.xy > Subject: RE: The Oberon Series (addendum) > Content-Length: 645 > X-Lines: 15 > Status: RO > > > I forgot to mention that I have already scanned (& OCR'ed) chapter > 14 of Reiser's Oberon System and got the permission to use it for > documentation purposes. Getting the permission was an awful experience > of getting handed from ACM (Deborah Cotton) via several stages to > Pearson during several months. > > Maybe others in the (small) Oberon community would be volunteer ... > > regards > > Bernhard Treutwein Tel. +49-89-5996-642, Fax -615 > Institut f. Med. Psychologie Ludwig-Maximilians-Universitaet > bernhard{([at]})nowhere.xy > -------------------------------- --------------------------- > > From jono{([at]})nowhere.xy > [...] > From: Jono Hardjowirogo <jono{([at]})nowhere.xy > [...] > Subject: RE: The Oberon Series > Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 09:02:48 -0400 > [...] > > Prof Treutwein, > > Most likely they will be available to everyone, not just ACM members. > > Sincerely, > > Jono Hardjowirogo > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: bernhard{([at]})nowhere.xy[SMTP:bernhard{([at]})nowhere.xy > > Sent: Friday, September 24, 1999 4:33 AM > > To: jono{([at]})nowhere.xy > > Subject: RE: The Oberon Series > > > > Dear Jono Hardjowirogo, > > > > thanks for your kind reply included below. > > > > Do I understand you correctly that ACM's digital library will be > > enhanced by books (currently I find only journals, citations and > > proceedings). Will these be available only to ACM members or > > also to everyone interested ? > > > > thanks again > > > > Bernhard Treutwein Tel. +49-89-5996-642, Fax -615 > > Institut f. Med. Psychologie Ludwig-Maximilians-Universitaet > > bernhard{([at]})nowhere.xy > > -------------------------------- --------------------------- > > > > > > > From jono{([at]})nowhere.xy > > [...] > > > > > > Unfortunately, all the Oberon series of books were put out of print > > > because they no longer sells. So, it was done for economic reason more > > > than anything else. Interests in the Oberon project are no longer as > > > strong as they were once, so, we felt that it was time to retire the > > > books from the active list. > > > > > > I do agree with you assessment that the project was of a monumental > > > importance to computer science. For this reason, I am looking to have > > > those books scanned and made available in their entireties on the ACM > > > website. This way, future programmers who are looking for materials on > > > Oberon can simply take a look or download the materials in which they > > > are interested. I am not sure when we can have this affected as it does > > > involve some logistical issues from our side. > > > > > From jono{([at]})nowhere.xy > [...] > From: Jono Hardjowirogo <jono{([at]})nowhere.xy > [...] > Subject: RE: The Oberon Series (addendum) > Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 09:09:32 -0400 > [...] > > Prof. Treutwein, > > Sorry for your experience. Often after such an experience one would be > more sympathetic to those who pirate works out of frustration. I have > on occasion spent months tracking rights of a work that's not even as > important as Oberon. > > Thank you for your offer for the use of the Oberon community. When the > time comes, I may want to contact you for this purpose. > > Sincerely, > > Jono Hardjowirogo > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: bernhard{([at]})nowhere.xy[SMTP:bernhard{([at]})nowhere.xy > > Sent: Friday, September 24, 1999 4:38 AM > > To: jono{([at]})nowhere.xy > > Subject: RE: The Oberon Series (addendum) > > > > > > I forgot to mention that I have already scanned (& OCR'ed) chapter > > 14 of Reiser's Oberon System and got the permission to use it for > > documentation purposes. Getting the permission was an awful experience > > of getting handed from ACM (Deborah Cotton) via several stages to > > Pearson during several months. > > > > Maybe others in the (small) Oberon community would be volunteer ... > > > > regards > > > > Bernhard Treutwein Tel. +49-89-5996-642, Fax -615 > > Institut f. Med. Psychologie Ludwig-Maximilians-Universitaet > > bernhard{([at]})nowhere.xy > > -------------------------------- --------------------------- > >Received on Tue Nov 02 1999 - 11:07:50 UTC
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