(unknown charset) Re: [BLACKBOX] Separated subsystems misunderstanding

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Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2011 09:15:02 +0300

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I hope you do not think that module in BlackBox is
loading "as is" without scope of dependencies. If you
look closer at
> "various components that provide word processing functionality (Text
> subsystem)"
> and
> "The BlackBox run-time environment supports dynamic linking and loading
> (and
> unloading) of components."


On Thu, 24 Nov 2011 04:50:01 +0300, Douglas G. Danforth
<danforth{([at]})nowhere.xy

> Interesting.
> So we come down to the definition of a 'component'.
>
> From the BB documentation I find (from Tour Guide)
>
> "various components that provide word processing functionality (Text
> subsystem)"
> and
> "The BlackBox run-time environment supports dynamic linking and loading
> (and
> unloading) of components."
>
> Hence I infer that
> component = (compiled) module
> subsystem = {components} (set of components)
>
> о╦РП , That disagrees with your usage.
> You also say,
>
> "Here we can see that subsystem is collection of components, not modules.
> Actually saying, if there were only modules, it would be forbidden to use
> any dependencies in your own subsystem. "
>
> But I disagree. There is no separate thing called a "component" only
> modules
> that
> are grouped (via naming convention) into a subsystem. A component is a
> concept
> which is physically represented at a (compiled) module.
>
>
> My objection to Werner's naming convention is that I view O3 as a single
> subsystem.
> If I didn't do any web programming I would not use O3. To create many
> different
> subsystems and give them names O3baseFiles that reside in a sub
> directory O3base/Mod/Files.odc
> as compared to O3/Mod/BaseFiles.odc forces an unnecessary splitting and
> treats O3base
> as if it
> were unconnected to all of the other modules associated with O3. Why not
> just
> call it 'base', or
> 'Mybase', or 'Hotdog'? By grouping everything into a single subsystem
> 'O3' the
> intended inter-dependencies
> between the modules are explicitly revealed and maintained.
>
> Also, If I wish to delete the O3 system from my BlackBox then all that
> is needed
> using my naming
> convention is a single sub directory delete of O3, whereas with Werner's
> naming
> convention I need
> to remember that App belongs to O3 and delete it along with O3app,
> O3base, O3bb,
> O3std, O3host
> sub directories. Not as clean.
>
> -Doug Danforth
>
> On 11/23/2011 3:50 AM, о╦РП йСЬМХП wrote:
>
> Hi everyone!
>
> Douglas,
>
> By overview of O3-framework you're saying that
>
> Renamed all of your modules so that that conform to theBlackBox subsystem
> standard. Hence I now have
> O3App...
> O3Bb...
> O3Base...
> O3Host...
> O3Std...
>
> by doing that there need only be a single Code directory under O3
>
> First of all, we need to define subsystem:
>
> For the BlackBox Component Builder, it is a convention that collections
> of
> related components, called subsystems, are placed into separate
> directories;
> Keep all constituents of a component in one place.
>
> (quoted from Design Practices)
>
> Here we can see that subsystem is collection of components, not modules.
> Actually saying, if there were only modules, it would be forbidden to use
> any dependencies in your own subsytem.
>
> Thus we have "components", it takes us to a typical use-case of
> wrapping abstractions in single module of SubsystemA,
> that wraps a bunch of modules in SubsystemB.
> For example, lets take a look to a pair of Std+Host subsytem in BlackBox.
> Is there any reason to put them in a single directory?
>
> So, if you will look up for dependencies of O3-framework (not
> O3-subsystem,
> obviously)
> you will find several different layers of abstraction, that could be used
> distinctly,
> as well as in scope with other O3xxx-subsystems.
>
> Best regards, Peter Cushnir, Russia, Yaroslavl.
> P.S. Sorry for my poor English :)
>
> On Wed, 23 Nov 2011 12:15:42 +0300, Douglas G. Danforth
> <danforth{([at]})nowhere.xy
> wrote:
>
> Werner,
>
> But, but , but. I really do not want all of those sub directories
> at the same level. The sub directory App is specific to O3.
> I do not use any such sub directory for applications that I
> release customers. Each customer has his own subdirectory.
> Hence 'App' is poorly name and you are forcing me to have
> that directory under BB/. I really do not like that.
> The same goes for all of the other directories.
>
> Here is what I have done.
> Renamed all of your modules so that that conform to the
> BlackBox subsystem standard. Hence I now have
>
> O3App...
> O3Bb...
> O3Base...
> O3Host...
> O3Std...
>
> by doing that there need only be a single Code directory under O3
> and a single Symbol file directory under O3.
>
> One can also move all of the .odc files into a single Mod directory
> since their substructure is retained in their names (I have yet to do
> that).
>
> Compilation is much easier that way. I believe I have compile every file
> with that new naming convention.
>
> All of that was so I could have a single O3 subdirectory under the
> BlackBox
> home. Now I will have to modify the menus.odc file appropriately and
> worry about pointing to the html files correctly.
>
> -Doug
>
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