Re: [BLACKBOX] Seasoned Linux.

From: Douglas G. Danforth <"Douglas>
Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2011 14:37:59 -0800

----boundary-LibPST-iamunique-1504025059_-_- Content-type: text/plain On 1/10/2011 12:51 PM, Dr. Markus Bautsch wrote: Dear all ! I think, no I am sure that Component Pascal and Oberon programmers and software developers are very kind and intelligent people. Therefore, we should not only discuss within our community, but use objective arguments and be as polite as possible to develop the worldwide programmer's community. However, may I draw your attention to my publication from end of 2007 ? http://www.enisa.europa.eu/doc/pdf/publications/enisa_quarterly_12_07.pdf (see chapter "Cycles of Software Crises") Maybe this shows you some additional aspects for assessing and developing better programming languages and educating better programmers. Kindest regards Markus Bautsch >From that publication we find 'Outdated programming languages are still in use today and a pithy comment made by the famous Swiss computer scientist, Niklaus Wirth, is appropriate in this context: “It is indeed absolutely surprising with which equanimity the notational monster C was accepted by the world-wide programmer’s community.”' -Doug Danforth ---- To unsubscribe, send a message with body "SIGNOFF BLACKBOX" to LISTSERV{([at]})nowhere.xy ----boundary-LibPST-iamunique-1504025059_-_- Content-type: application/rtf Content-transfer-encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="rtf-body.rtf" e1xydGYxXGFuc2lcYW5zaWNwZzEyNTJcZnJvbWh0bWwxIFxkZWZmMHtcZm9udHRibA0Ke1xmMFxm c3dpc3NcZmNoYXJzZXQwIEFyaWFsO30NCntcZjFcZm1vZGVybiBDb3VyaWVyIE5ldzt9DQp7XGYy XGZuaWxcZmNoYXJzZXQyIFN5bWJvbDt9DQp7XGYzXGZtb2Rlcm5cZmNoYXJzZXQwIENvdXJpZXIg TmV3O319DQp7XGNvbG9ydGJsXHJlZDBcZ3JlZW4wXGJsdWUwO1xyZWQwXGdyZWVuMFxibHVlMjU1 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