(unknown charset) Re: [BLACKBOX] Seasoned Linux.

From: (unknown charset) [at]} <Norayr>
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2011 03:39:03 +0400

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Dmitry, I have downloaded your work about a month ago. Actually, there
are two ports of BlackBox for Linux, and I tried both.
It was very nice to see that fast speed of compilation. (I am used to
compile with gcc)
One of compilers generated pretty small .so file, from an example source.
I was impressed.

I think you will agree, that we need
a) community
b) tool to convert C headers
c) in case of BlackBox - write several native backends for different CPU's
d) prepare a set of compatibility layers in order to be able to compile
the same standard BlackBox code on a different platforms.

Sincerely,
Norayr


On 01/12/11 19:23, Dmitry Solomennikov wrote:
> I had no plan to publish my work on list, but due to some activity last day I will.
>
> I've assembled Linux port of BlackBox. It runs natively on Linux and [with Linux compartibility layer] on FreeBSD boxes.
> It has no GUI yet, but has handmade X and GTK bindings.
>
> http://sourceforge.net/projects/oberonrevival/files/BB/bb-revival-nix-0.1.tar.gz/download
>
> This port was assembled from OpenBUGS, which contained DevElfLinker module. With this module one can
> compile *.so files (i.e. shared objects). External startup file (BlackBox.c) is used to start runtime & kernel.
> Compiled startup file included.
>
> Development is done in cross-compilation style at Windows box (or equal Linux box in Wine). Development files included (Devel.zip).
>
> Archive contains README with full description of "installation" and development (in Russian, UTF-8).
>
> If one'll be intrerested I'll translate README & BlackBox.c to English.
>
> Thanks a lot.
> Dmitry.
>
> Tue, 11 Jan 2011 23:16:19 -0500 ОХЯЭЛН НР Wojtek Skulski <skulski{([at]})nowhere.xy
>
>> On Tue, 11 Jan 2011, Fyodor Tkachov wrote:
>>
>>> All (re)written in any flavor of Oberon of course.
>>
>> I do not think that rewriting other's peoples work is of much value.
>> Reinventing the wheel is generally a bad idea.
>>
>> It would be valuable to do something that others are not doing. Not being
>> an OS expert, I can only propose a very simplistic concept. For example,
>> how about using the Linux "modules" (kernel subsystems loaded with insmod
>> or modprobe) to implement either the Oberon System or Oberon-friendly
>> environment? I will call it simply "wirth", though this name may be
>> reserved.
>>
>> I would love to see Oberon System or BlackBox running on top of wirth. Or
>> perhaps a few Oberon Systems or BlackBoxes, each one running on a separate
>> CPU core and communicating with other Oberon Systems via mechanisms
>> provided by wirth.
>>
>> One can say "but BlackBox is running on wine". Yes, but wine is big and
>> not suitable for embedded systems. On the other hand, wirth could be small
>> because its sole purpose would be to provide the Oberon/BlackBox-friendly
>> environment.
>>
>> I am not sure if the idea of wirth makes sense to OS experts. To me it
>> looks fresh. I think it makes more sense than reimplementing parts of
>> Linux kernel, which are perfectly fine, though perhaps ugly. But who cares
>> if it is ugly, if it works? (It does not matter what color is the cat, if
>> it catches mice -- this one is for Fyodor.)
>>
>> W.
>>
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