Re: [BLACKBOX] toki pona

From: [at]} <Norayr>
Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2011 03:11:44 +0400

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Hello there,

>> I posted a message recommending toki pona in our educational Oberon
forum only yesterday.
Yep, I found the info there. So, the member "info21" is you, Fyodor.
Thanks for sharing.
And I would like to share some thoughts about toki-pona:
Yesterday I was thinking about Paul Graham's article "How to make
wealth" - http://paulgraham.com/wealth.html. I was trying to understand
how do I feel about "wealth" word.
<---
Suppose you own a beat-up old car. Instead of sitting on your butt next
summer, you could spend the time restoring your car to pristine
condition. In doing so you create wealth. The world is– and you
specifically are– one pristine old car the richer. And not just in some
metaphorical way. If you sell your car, you’ll get more for it.
In restoring your old car you have made yourself richer. You haven’t
made anyone else poorer. So there is obviously not a fixed pie. And in
fact, when you look at it this way, you wonder why anyone would think
there was.
- --->
I understand "wealth" as a good(s). I guess people say "goods" in
English. Russians say: "??? ?????"(my goods) by meaning property.
Armenians say «?????» (goods) and mention "??????????", where the word
"harvest" contains the word "good" (????/?????/????). Harvest means
collect the goods.
So, Paul writes that someone who repaires, makes wealth, makes/does
good(s).
Whereas in toki-pona "sina pona" means "you are good", and "you repair"
simultaneously (sina - you, pona - good or repair)
Another example: mi pona - I am good, I was good, I will be good.
Toki-pona does not have past or future time. And as Japanese, toki-pona
does not have plural forms. The word "Jan" - means "human", it also
means "people".
In spite of the fact that minimalistic Toki-pona is very simple
language, it is not designed as an international language, but as a
philosophical language. By using decomposition we can understand that
4/8 is the same as 1/2, and by breaking semantic constructs into simple
units we can reach the true meanings. Health - healthy body. Happiness -
good feeling. Teach- give knowledge. Toki pona - good language.
It is not surprising that I like toki-pona, because I like simple beauty
of Oberon. Besides, I know Georgian a little, and always liked that
Georgian alphabet does not contain capital letters at all.
More info is possible to find at http://tokipona.org.

Sincerely,
Norayr

On 02/07/11 00:47, Fyodor Tkachov wrote:
>> is the minimalistic artificial human language. It reminds me of Oberon.
> ..
>> more: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toki_Pona
>> I think it may interest people in the list :)
>
>
> Quite interesting.
> I posted a message recommending toki pona in our educational Oberon forum only yesterday. I ran across it while looking up a linguistic issue (the so-called thematic vowels in Indo-European languages).
>
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> Another programming textbook based on Oberon/Blackbox has been published.
> It is in Russian but here is a link for the curious:
> http://www.ozon.ru/context/detail/id/5774388/?partner=info21
>
> cheers
> fyodor
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