[BLACKBOX] Fwd: Re: [BLACKBOX] output with GP-CP

From: VDI <bernhardt.gunnar{([at]})nowhere.xy>
Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2010 10:23:34 +0200

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Dough,

my question would be which version of the .NET framework you deleted.
 I definitely agree with Chris that the 2.0 framework is enough for
 working with GP-CP. Unless of course you need shiny new extras like
 WPF and such. But you might consider using the 2.0 SDK since it
 features an excellent debugger and tools for browsing the interface
 of COM- and .NET -modules.

On the question of size: Well I do not really know although I have a
 hunch:

1) They may be victims to what N. Wirth called "self-inflicted
 complexity". Take for instance delagetes: They are sealed classes and
 in some situation may be treated as such. If you want to apply them
 you need to create derived classes which you are not generally
 allowed to. So they build support into the language itself (perhaps
 into the runtime-routines as well).
Getter- and Setter-Methods are another example: They hide
 implementation details from the user of a module but achieve only
 little more than exported record fields.

2) The framework features "out of the box" a number of pretty abstract
 and high-level concepts: Combine for instance complete UNICODE
 support with restricted execution of remote code...

3) They seem to have an internal rule to apply XML wherever possible.
 For instance I understood barely enough of ADO to use it
 productively, but ADO.NET is completely over my head. Generally
 speaking not all layers of abstractions are evidently necessary.

Sometimes I pitty the programmers at Microsoft: They are victims to
 (sometimes dogmatic) downward compatibility, already insanely complex
 (and sometimes messy) systems and daily feature requests by their
 marketing departement. So don't judge them too harshly.

regards
gunnar



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> From: BlackBox [mailto:BLACKBOX{([at]})nowhere.xy
> Douglas G. Danforth
> Sent: Saturday, 23 October 2010 8:32 AM
> To: BLACKBOX{([at]})nowhere.xy
> Subject: Re: [BLACKBOX] output with GP-CP
>
> I just deleted as much of the .NET framework as Microsoft would
> let me and gained back 2GB of disk space. I had hoped to
> use it for Gardens Point but never got around to it.
>
> Wow! I don't know what you had on there but you certainly don't need
 it to
> use GPCP to develop the sort of applications (and a whole lot more)
 that you
> can make with BlackBox. If you decide to try it again make sure you
 only
> install the v2.0 part of the .NET Framework. That's a ~20Mb
 installation
> file. Later versions are supersets of v2.0 (with weird and wonderful
> capabilities like LINQ and Lambda Calculus that I know nothing
 about) than
> corrected versions of v2.0.
>
> You will also start to fill up your hard disk if you install all of
 the MSDN
> documentation, Help files, sample code etc. that comes with the v2.0
 SDK
> (~200Mb installation file). However, you do not need all of this
 locally
> unless you get really serious with development. Most of it is
 accessible on
> the Internet e.g. the Windows Forms documentation which covers most
 of the
> Desktop GUI stuff:
>
>
 http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/system.windows.forms(v=VS.80).aspx
>
> Regards,
> Chris
>
> Chris Burrows
> CFB Software
> http://www.cfbsoftware.com
>
>
>
>
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