Re: [BLACKBOX] Seasons Greetings from Linuxland

From: Douglas G. Danforth <"Douglas>
Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2010 16:14:59 -0800

----boundary-LibPST-iamunique-1682625505_-_- Content-type: text/plain W, Doesn't that give inspiration to some young active Oberon enthusiast to dig deep into that code and replace the kernel with true Oberon-2? Just a pipe dream. -Doug Danforth On 12/20/2010 8:51 AM, Wojtek Skulski wrote: Robert: Seasons Greeting to you as well! FYI, I am now doing some Linux development. To this end I am reading the book on Linux kenel-mode drivers. There is a fair amount of material there on Linux kernel. I am amazed to read that the newest-greatest Linux technology is called "modules". These are loaded/unloaded by the kernel. They have init and close sections, as well as methods. Sounds familiar? On closer reading it is all Oberon-1. The methods are installed in procedure variables. There is no type safety anywhere. If you install a wrong pointer then kaboom. The compiler can barely help. Ditto with memory management. There are all kinds of addresses (virtual, kernel, user, etc), but all are being cast to "unsigned long". It is up to you to know which address is which. If you get lost in a maze of rules (which are changing from release to release) then your program will trap on wrong address at run time. If it happens in the kernel-mode code, then you computer will crash and you can then analyze register dumps. So deep inside the newest-greatest Linux kernel 2.6.xxx is in fact an old original Oberon System with Oberon-1 run-time methods, but without Oberon type safety. All is arranged on top of old original C. The entire module structure is implemented by hand with a set of rules and preprocessor macros. Amazing, how the newest-greatest and most advertised turns out to be old Wirth/Gutknecht design. Without proper attribution of course. Greetings to all! Wojtek On Sun, 19 Dec 2010, Robert wrote: As it turns out, the "Disambiguated glommable expression templates" did not end in 1997. A more recent version is available: http://adtmag.com/articles/2000/04/25/disambiguated-glommable-expression-templates-reintroduced.aspx Wojtek, I shall keep this reference for some light reading next April 1st. 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