Re: [BLACKBOX] Secure Software - Dependable Software

From: [at]} <Chris>
Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2009 09:45:18 +0930

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Our online software ordering system is written using a combination of
ASP.NET 2.0 pages, C# and GPCP. It is important that it works ;-)

It runs on an independent hosting service under .NET and communicates with a
3rd-party credit-card processing system. As far as I can remember we have
only had one serious interruption since the latest incarnation was deployed
in Jan 2008. That was not a GPCP problem. However, it is only designed to
deal with a maximum of ~100 transactions per day and would not scale up as
it only uses textfiles not a database system.

Tha primary reason that GPCP was used was that we already had (and wanted to
continue to have) identical desktop code to do the back-end processing (i.e.
storing customer records, generating registration details, invoices and
corresponding emails, sending the emails etc.)

ASP.NET and C# were used for the GUI simply because it makes it *very* easy
to do web-based visual form development. 90% of the code is automatically
generated by Visual Studio - it's mainly a 'drag and drop' style of
development.

Regards,
Chris

Chris Burrows
CFB Software
CPIde v3.1: IDE for Component Pascal for .NET
http://www.cfbsoftware.com/cpide

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Tersol
        Sent: Friday, 25 September 2009 3:46 AM
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        Subject: Re: [BLACKBOX] Secure Software - Dependable Software
        
        
        I need to make an argument for using Component Pascal for a project
to deliver software as a service over the web.
        
        The software will be based on code I have developed using Blackbox
for use on a single machine locally.
        
        Among the perceived choices are:
        
        1. translate the algorithms from CP to a language the developers are
more familiar with.
        
        2. move the code from Blackbox to GPCP and use the components to
interoperate with code written in other languages (using JVM or .Net)
        
        In the past there have been testimonials on this list regarding
positive experiences with Blackbox. If any of the authors have easy access
to those testimonials and can forward to me (offlist or onlist) I would be
appreciative as it would be easier than searching thru the archives.
        
        Any such that address similar problem spaces would be especially
helpful (i.e. web access, databases).
        
        In particular, experience with moving from BB to GPCP, experience
with O3, and comparisons of development speed, maintainability vs other
languages are appreciated.
        
        Thanks.
        
        Antony Tersol
        
        
        
        On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 1:43 AM, Campbell, Robert (SELEX GALILEO,
UK) <robert.d.campbell{([at]})nowhere.xy
        

>> On Tue, 22 Sep 2009, Chris Burrows wrote:
>>
>> David Jackson of MIT has written an interesting article
>> titled "A Direct
>> Path to Dependable Software". In part he says ...
                
>> You can download the complete article from:
                
>> http://sdg.csail.mit.edu/pubs/2008/cacm-08.pdf
                
                
                An interesting article ...
                
                Some years ago I wrote a fairly extensive piece of code to
solve a
                difficult
                mathematical problem in CP / BlackBox. Some time later a
colleague (who
                uses C# / .NET)
                had the same problem, and so wanted access to my solution. I
compiled
                the code into a .NET
                dll using the Gardens Point CP compiler, he linked it into
his C#, and
                all seemed well - a
                success!.
                
                A year or so later some inaccuracies were noticed, then the
CP module
                began to 'hang' in
                infinite loops. This was a big problem, caused a lot of
anguish, and
                gave CP a bad name locally.
                
                Ultimately we traced the immediate cause to the assumption
made in the
                CP code that the floating
                point unit was working in 64 or 80 bits accuracy. In fact
the C#
                application had grown a 3D graphics
                capability that used DirectX, which set the floating point
unit to 32
                bit accuracy, and left it there.
                
                Result - a non-(*dependable*) programme.
                
                
                Do we just accept this? - or should there be a solution?
Maybe the CP
                (*language*) needs a command
                to set the floating point control register explicitly, and
we should
                call this in our source code
                before each and every floating point operation?
                
                I would prefer a more elegant and efficient solution.
                
                
                Maybe some (*mistake*) was made in the way the C#
application was coded
                (I honestly don't
                know whose 'fault', if indeed it was a fault, this problem
was). But
                that fact that such a
                fault can occur without obvious prompting seems to me to be
a
                dependability issue very similar
                to a memory leak or an out-of-bounds array access; things
that a
                dependable language would
                simply eliminate.
                
                
                Regards
                
                Robert
                SELEX Sensors and Airborne Systems Limited
                Registered Office: Sigma House, Christopher Martin Road,
Basildon, Essex SS14 3EL
                A company registered in England & Wales. Company no.
02426132
        
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