Re: [BLACKBOX] Mobile-device development

From: [at]} <Walter>
Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2008 20:17:33 -0300

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I'm very interested in work to an "embedded Oberon system" as uCLinux strong
alternative.

My target are FPGA's embedded soft-processors as Xilinx - MicroBlaze,
Altera - Nios;

Some interested in form a task force ?

We can continue by private e-mail with this spin-off topic.

Walter
wsfpga{([at]})nowhere.xy


----- Original Message -----
From: "Wojtek Skulski" <skulski{([at]})nowhere.xy
To: <BLACKBOX{([at]})nowhere.xy
Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2008 1:42 PM
Subject: Re: [BLACKBOX] Mobile-device development


> Chris:
>
> Is the compiler quite enough for the embedded projects, or do you
> also need a runtime system?
>
> My question is entirely practical. Two years ago I designed a single-board
> computer pictured on the following web page. (The photo is 2 years old;
> I will remove the word "new" from the website....)
>
> http://www.blackstamp.net/new.htm
>
> A few weeks ago my University decided to use this platform for our
> distributed control system. A hardware engineer and a software engineer
> are looking into the uCLinux toolchain and kernel for this board.
> If you ever saw the Linux "tools" in action, you would probably
> agree that the word "awful" is an understatement. Actually, what is
> "awful" from our Wirthian perspective, probably seems "awesome" for a
> seasoned C programmer.
>
> http://blackfin.uclinux.org/gf/
>
> Here are the questions:
>
> 1. Is there any chance that your Embedded Oberon, or whatever is the name
> of your project, can be ported to uCLinux?
>
> 2. Is there any chance it can run as a standalone embedded system
> without the support of the embedded Linux kernel?
>
> 3. Is there any chance to see a Blackfin backend for your compiler?
>
> 4. Who is going to support either #1, #2, or #3?
>
> I think that trying to answer these question can become an acid test
> of your idea. Here is a single-board computer with a very powerful
> and modern processor (a joint ADI/Intel chip). It should be possible
> to run an Embedded Oberon system on such a device. Is it?
>
> Wojtek
>
> PS: A few days ago I sent a message to this list; I never saw it
> in my inbox.
>
>
>> My initial target is to implement the minimum required to make it
>> self-compiling so it can be propagated in the same way as Pascal-P was in
>> the 1970's. To Oberon-0 I've added pointers, chars, strings, REPEAT
>> loops,
>> Forward procedures, SIZE, ORD and CHR and enhanced the assembly code
>> listing.
>>
>> I've removed nested procedures (not as crucial as they were in Pascal now
>> we
>> have Modules). Value parameters may also go once I have IN and OUT
>> parameters working in addition to VAR for all data types. I'm currently
>> working on EXPORT and IMPORT - there would not be much more required than
>> that to enable it to compile itself.
>>
>> Anyway, we should continue this conversation off-line as it is straying
>> away
>> from BlackBox and probably of little interest to others here. I'll send
>> you
>> an email with more detail in the next few days.
>
>
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