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Bernhard Treutwein
Ludwig-Maximilians-Universität
Ref. IIIA3 Anwendungsentwicklung
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: BlackBox [mailto:BLACKBOX{([at]})nowhere.xy> Helmut Zinn
> Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2008 5:18 PM
> To: BLACKBOX{([at]})nowhere.xy> Subject: [BLACKBOX] AW: [BLACKBOX] Using Cyrillic characters
> with BlackBox 1.6-rc5
>
>
> Dear Bernhard,
>
> > is it really necessary to have the full unicode set for identifiers
> > (e.g module, procedure & global variable names)?
>
> ... ach zwei Herzen schlagen in meiner Brust ...
>
> > I think it is a "nice to have feature", at least for exported
> > identifiers, but I expect more problems than benefit.
>
> Think about the following topic. You are a teacher. You
> introduce turtle graphic for beginners. The pupil doesn't
> speak English. The never wrote a program. Which names would
> you like to prefer?
>
> Englisch German Russia
> -------------------- --------------------- -----------------------
> Go (s: REAL); Gehe (schritte: REAL); ????
> (??????????: REAL);
> GoTo (x, y: REAL); GeheNach (x, y: REAL); ??????? (x, y: REAL);
> Rotate (angle: REAL); Drehe (umGrad: REAL); ????????? (????: REAL);
>
> SelectThickPen; Dick; ????????????????;
> SelectThinPen; Dünn; ???????????????;
>
> PenUp; StiftHoch; ???????????;
> PenDown; StiftRunter; ????????????;
>
> OutOfPage(): BOOLEAN; Rand(): BOOLEAN;
> ????????????(): BOOLEAN;
> WhereX(): REAL; TurtleX(): REAL; ???X(): REAL;
> WhereY(): REAL; TurtleY(): REAL; ???Y(): REAL;
>
> Which names would you like to prefer?
>
> > How do you want handle such names when creating DLLs?
>
> I don't need it with DLL's.
>
> There are a lot of programs written in Russian, e.g. Ilya
> Ermakov subsystem Lab. (I apologise I don't know if I wrote
> his name correct.)
>
> Look at http://oberoncore.ru/ -> ??????????
>
> Lab is a grandiose subsystem which makes the life for
> teachers much easier.
> You can write in an odc document the following line (it is an
> example from using subsystem Lab):
> --------------------------------
> PROCEDURE ???????????????*;
> BEGIN
> ?????????????????(600, 200);
> ????(200); ?????????(90);
> ????(80); ?????????(90);
> ????(200); ?????????(90);
> ????(80)
> END ???????????????;
> --------------------------------
> Here is the translation to English:
> --------------------------------
> PROCEDURE DrawingRectangle*;
> BEGIN
> SetPaperSize(600, 200);
> Go(200); Rotate(90);
> Go(80); Rotate(90);
> Go(200); Rotate(90);
> Go(80)
> END DrawingRectangle;
> --------------------------------
> After clicking with the mouse on "???????????????*;" or
> "DrawingRectangle*;" the turtle draws a rectangle. Believe
> me! You need not to write MODULE, IMPORT and all the other stuff.
>
> Subsystem Lab is written with the Russian version of BB 1.5
> It can't compile with standard BB 1.5 & 1.6
>
> I have translated the subsystem Lab to English for BB 1.6,
> but the work is not finished.
>
> ???????????????* doesn't work on my translation (only runs
> with BB1.5ru).
> DrawingRectangle* runs on both BB systems.
>
>
> > It is necessary to support the full Unicode set in texts, i.e.
> > comments & documentation, but as I understand it, OMiSys BB 1.6rc5
> > has all changes to handle Unicode.
>
> OM support full Unicode set with comments and documentation
> already in BB version 1.5 and earlier.
>
> BB version 1.6rc5 expands this support to forms.
>
> > PS: I don't know how other programming languages handle this problem
> > and what restrictions are put on globally visible identifiers by
> > operating systems and/or ABIs. But apparently C# and Java can handle
> > Unicode identifiers. There is a document on the net, which tries to
> > provide a universal solution (http://unicode.org/reports/tr31/)
> > but similar to other universal solutions it appears to be difficult
> > to digest.
>
> OM always found a better way to go ...
>
>
> Regards
>
> Helmut Zinn
> http://www.zinnamturm.eu
>
>
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