- BB 2.0 beta 0.0

From: Marco Ciot <"Marco>
Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2007 11:17:53 +0100

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Hello Bernhard

In my first eMail in the following line:
> If you unzip it to the same location as I have it (C:\BB) you will only
need to modify the last directory entry: "C:\BlackBox". It has to point to
any BlackBox 1.5 Directory.

It should be C:\0BB, of course!

In the title I drop everything before the "BB" in the path in order to save
space.
With the convention that the included paths always are like
"...BB\relevantPart" this gives a nice result.

I thought I would give a few points for the value of the generalisation I
implemented, but on second thought it would take to long an lead to a
different discussion, that I am not interested in, so I put the following
already written lines in parentheses:
        (While developping simultaneously on the customer modules as well as on
parts of the system modules I noticed that I need a feature to easily fall
back to a previous save "version" of the system. Especially when I modify
modules where the system startup is endangered I want to have an easy way to
restart the system and be able to fix the problem, without having to copy
files and stuff.)

BUT instead I'll just reply to your questions:

> I guess /r /q and /w define additional lookup/write paths
which are a kind of an extension to the /use option in
standard BlackBox. How are they handled?

Yes, not additional, though, they replace the /USE option and my previously
introduced /ADD option.
The latter are still supported but cannot be combined with the new ones.

The paths are listed with the attributes /r (ReadOnly), /q (QueryAlways
(=ask)) or /w (Writable) in the order of domination.
Hence the first path should always be writable, and "corresponds" to the old
/USE directory.

ReadOnly directories are never written to by the system.
Writable dirs are written to without asking the user and (NEW) any subdirs
are created without asking, either!
QueryAlways dirs are something in between and I noticed that sometimes I
want QueryNewDir and QueryOverwrite instead!

Is a file opened that exists in the third dir of the domination list, then
it is written back there if this dir is writable. Else it is written to the
second if the third is readonly or if it is Q and the user said no for
overwriting the original. If the second dir is readonly then obviously it is
skipped and the first dir serves as target.

The real advantage of this hierarchy, I believe, will show only with the
distributed use of it.

I suggest that everybody should have a set of GLOBAL and UNIQUE directories
that others can easily incorporate into their hierarchy in order to test and
take over changes or extensions.

Therefore I gave my \20incMC directory in the example hierarchy.

If anybody wants to try out my changes to \20inc then he can just download
the corresponding 20incMC.zip and include the /R option into his shortcut
and go.

The entire LIBRARY and Zinn am Turm could then be distributed as ZIP
archives which are maintained by the corresponding supplier.

The domination hierarchy is way to overcome the subsystem hierarchy.


The whole thing becomes a Source control Tool if the globaly shared
directories are suffixed with the version representing immutable CHECKED IN
versions


Well I think it has become clear enough, now, that while the domination
generalisation is quite easy to implement and looks very nice in the
corresponding code, the pontential of it is not yet determined.
But I know that what I am using of it by now is GREAT!!!

regards
Marco


-----Original Message-----
From: blackbox{([at]})nowhere.xy
Treutwein Bernhard
Sent: Friday, February 09, 2007 09:52
To: BlackBox Mailing List
Subject: [BlackBox] - BB 2.0 beta 0.0


Hi Marco,

thanks a lot for sharing your stuff.

> 6) You must be a dare devil if you want to try it out,
> because all further information will come only on demand...

Trying the latter, being just curious:

What do the options mean?

I guess /r /q and /w define additional lookup/write paths
which are a kind of an extension to the /use option in
standard BlackBox. How are they handled?

I also guess that you drop deliberately the leading
zero in your paths, what is the intention/background?

You say in your second mail:

> This feature is very useful for shared and distributed
> development AND for SOURCE CONTROL! (The Source Safe
> is the Runtime itself!)

this is very interesting, shouldn't we also setup some
project on sourceforge or a similar provider for distributed
development?

regards

--
	Bernhard Treutwein, IuK, Ref. III A 3
	Bernhard.Treutwein(at)verwaltung uni-muenchen de
> -----Original Message-----
> From: blackbox{([at]})nowhere.xy> Behalf Of Marco Ciot
> Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 10:05 PM
> To: BlackBox Mailing List
> Subject: [BlackBox] - BB 2.0 beta 0.0
>
>
> 0) Hi everybody
>
> 1) I am a dare devil.
>
> 2) "BB 2.0 beta 0.0" can be downloaded now from
> http://ciot.org/0BB.zip
>
> 3) The shortcut supplied in the zip-Archive has to be adapted
> to your environment, before using BB 2.0:
>
> It comes as
> "C:\0BB\20inc\BB2.exe  /w C:\0BB\ProjectXyzMC  /r
> C:\0BB\ProjectXyz  /w C:\0BB\ClientMC
>   /q C:\0BB\PersMC  /q C:\0BB\20incMC  /r C:\0BB\20inc  /r
> C:\BlackBox"
>
> If you unzip it to the same location as I have it (C:\BB) you
> will only need to modify the last directory entry:
> "C:\BlackBox". It has to point to any BlackBox 1.5 Directory.
>
> 4) When successfully started BB 2.0 you can see a long Main
> Window Title.
>
> 5) Check out menus
> 	File -> File Browser
> 	Dev -> Reference Graph
> 	Help -> About BlackBox 2.0
> 	and the PopupMenu for Source, Interface and
> Documentation for non qualified
> (Module.Ident) identifiers also!
>
> 6) You must be a dare devil if you want to try it out,
> because all further information will come only on demand...
>
> 66) Contribute!
>
> 666) Beware! The compiler was modified!!! ...
> 	Marco Ciot
>
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