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On Sat, 20 May 2006, Les May wrote:
> FreePascal boasts of being 'write once compile anywhere' and is moving
> onto 64 bit processors.
Very interesting. The compiler is open source. Perhaps can be borrowed
for porting the Component Pascal to 64-bit. Fyodor, any thought on this?
The website is
http://www.freepascal.org/
> There is a case for suggesting it [FreeBasic] is better than for Oberon.
Nothing is better than Oberon. You are talking to the BlackBox Parish
of the Universal Oberon Church. Allelujah.
> One reason for their success is that they have good IDEs (at least on
> Win machines) which enable users to make use of their already available
> skills.
This is another interesting point that was touched upon a few days
ago in this discussion. The Commercial Wing of the Oberon Church needs
user-frendly widgets. Have a look at
http://www.lazarus.freepascal.org/
Info --> About Lazarus.
> BB does so to a very limited degree. The document centred approach
> has its limitations.
In practice one is using buttons and other such, just like everyone
else. The document-centered interfaces are the upper-most ring of
enlightment of the cognoscenti. Not necessary in everyday life of
an average BlackBoxer.
> The case sensitivity and the use of upper case for keywords is
> a nuisance.
Takes about three days to get used to. Once you get used to it,
lower-case keywords will start looking like mess. I am talking
from experience.
> Perhaps BB has one already and I just have not found it.
Takes three days and one page of BB code to abandon such ideas.
> Why does BB generate such enthusiasm from its converts? Is it the
> framework for designing GUIs? Or is it the Component Pascal language
> which gives the user a high level of confidence that programs are
> correct and do exactly what they are intended to do?
The latter. The framework seems sort of rough at first, the GUIs
do not look great, but the converts can see a bright light in the tunnel:
programs are correct and do exactly what they are intended to do.
It takes exactly one program that is NOT correct or is doing something
else than it was intended to do, to get converted to the Component
Pascal despite the roughness of its GUI.
> One last thought. Is the future of BB already with us and called Zonnon?
May be. Not sure. Any thoughts anyone?
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