RE: Dialog Tree questions

From: Wijck, Bart van <"Wijck,>
Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 12:05:56 +0100

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Hi Helmut,

Why have I not bought version 1.4 final yet? That's a good question. I'll
try to give a general answer which I hope reflect broader concerns.

The short answer is that I'm in a real quandry:

On the one hand I'm still in awe of the product (there's something really
'right' about it, much in line with the whole philosophy of Oberon etc).

But on the other hand I'm absolutely unsure when and where the product is
going, if anywhere (Web, .Net, XML etc.?). I also think the documentation
such as it is leaves a hell of a lot to be desired, which means learning and
using it is a lot less simple than on first view (sorry about the pun). The
product is also pretty sparse at times.
I also think it is sold very badly. I'm not at all sure what so much better
about BlackBox compared to say C# or Delphi especially when I look at how
much support there is for these products. There is a huge book on C# staring
at me on my desk to illustrate the point (and no, I do not like that
language, but I need something for .Net because that appears the best
platform for developing a serious web application. BlackBox in contrast
provides ??? (There is a WebServer coming...)).

These objections seem to my mind neither trivial nor very personal. Perhaps
most frustrating is how easy it would be for Oberon MicroSystems to correct
some of these things. A few months work would make the whole product much
more accessable, better positioned etc.

As I said I'm in a real quandry (which has little to do with money). It's to
some extent fair to say that we should put money in first and then good
things will come. But I think it is also fair that Oberon Microsytems should
be a bit more forthcoming (eg you are the first to even suggest that 1.5 has
...?) on the above issues.

So will I buy? Probably, although the motivation at present is more that I
feel obliged because I learned a lot through BlackBox then any clear notion
that I can say easily develop a web application with it. Perhaps if 1.5 is
interesting and begins to address at least some of my concerns I'll be more
convinced. I hope this is a straight answer to your question.

Regards, Bart



 

 
    


-----Original Message-----
From: Zinn, Helmut [mailto:Helmut.Zinn{([at]})nowhere.xy
Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2003 8:10 AM
To: 'Wijck, Bart van'; 'blackbox{([at]})nowhere.xy
Subject: AW: Dialog Tree questions


Dear Bart,

I can't believe it. You are still working with BlackBox 1.4 Beta and
speaking about BlackBox 1.5. How can OM develop this version? Why don't you
buy version 1.4 final? There are a lot of improvements in the final
versions. Don't miss it.

Regards

Helmut

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Von: Wijck, Bart van [mailto:Bart_van_Wijck{([at]})nowhere.xy
Gesendet: Montag, 27. Januar 2003 12:09
An: 'blackbox{([at]})nowhere.xy
Betreff: Dialog Tree questions


Hi BlackBoxers,

First question:
It's nice to have the folder & file icons in the Tree control. However that
ties the tree contol to a rather particular type of view. How can I tie in
any kind icon? This should be made standard (signal to Oberon Microsystems
for release 1.5). Does anyone have an example how to do this?

Second question:
I'm trying to associate some data via a pointer to a node in a tree control
via the treenode SetData procedure. When however later on I try to access
that data again (very simplified in the example below) I find that the
treenode Data procedure will not compile, even though it should return an
ANYPTR type. I'm probably overlooking the obvious, but what am I doing
wrong? (I'm working with 1.4 beta version).

Regards, Bart

MODULE TryTree;
IMPORT Dialog;

TYPE
  DPTR = POINTER TO DREC;
  DREC = RECORD
           val : INTEGER;
         END;

           
VAR
  Dlg* : RECORD
           Tree*: Dialog.Tree;
         END;

(*
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
*)
PROCEDURE Calc*;
VAR
  d,e : DPTR;
  pn,tn : Dialog.TreeNode;
BEGIN
  pn := NIL;
  tn := Dlg.Tree.NewChild(pn,0,'TREE ROOT');

  NEW(d); d^.val := 200;
  tn.SetData(d);

  e := tn.Data(); (* COMPILE ERROR HERE *)

  Dialog.UpdateList(Dlg.Tree);
  Dialog.Update(Dlg);
END Calc;

(*
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
*)
END TryTree.




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