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Dear Fellow Travellers:
recently there has been some discussion concerning
the BlackBox marketing. This is a recurring theme.
I remember such discussions flaring up in the Oberon
discussion group. Occasionally, someone would ask the
nagging question "if it is so good, why is it not
successful" and the discussion would start all over again.
As far as I recall, there has never been a resolution.
I do not expect the issue to be resolved this time,
either. Let's just assume this is the way it is.
Someone mentioned modern features such as .net programming
and why it is not supported under BB 1.4, and whether it
will be supported under BB 1.5. I am not a .net specialist.
However, I noticed that .net is mentioned on the Gardens Point
Component Pascal web page, URL below. It looks to me like this
is a pretty fresh web page, last updated 16-Sep-02. The chances
are the GP/CP project is still alive at this point.
http://www.citi.qut.edu.au/research/plas/projects/cp_files/ComponentPascal.html
In my opinion, the biggest problem of communities like
Oberon and BlackBox is a small number of participants,
who are all well-intentioned, but not very active
in supporting their beloved language. (I am a good example
myself.) A possible way out of the perceived limbo
might be to look around for allies. Is the Gardens Point
Component Pascal project a competitor to our beloved
Black Box, or is it a natural ally? Should we keep
asking the OuS team for features, which they may not
have time to implement, or should we look around and
find those features already implemented in the GP/CP
compiler?
Has anyone looked at the GP/CP? Any concrete experience?
How good is it?
Thank you,
Wojtek Skulski skulski{([at]})nowhere.xy
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