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I was amused to recieve a copy of this posting ,as I've tried to drop off the
Oberon list for some time !!
However, I was pleased to see that my small effort at documenting Oberon is
of some use :-) I also thank those of you that made useful comments about
the errors of style and technique in the manuscript - your comments were
very much appreaciated.
Although lack of documentation was a major concern , it was not the main
reason I dropped Oberon as my development tool. ( and NO price was not a
concern!)
Because I have dropped Oberon, I will not be developing my manuscript
further, but am pleased to offer the current (unmodified) version on my web
site for the foreseeable future :
http://users.impulse.net.au/dragoncity
for download.
As I once observed about the language Modula-3 ( another very fine OOP product
based upon Wirth ) when I was looking for a replacement for Delphi , before I
found Blackbox Oberon-- it soon became obvious to an outside observer that
"they were flogging a dead horse" , and I'm afraid the same senerio is
happening to Oberon !! ( Pity !!)
Good Luck,
Brett S Hallett
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On Sun, 10 Aug 2003 08:02, you wrote:
> blackbox Sun, 10 Aug 2003 Volume 1 : Number
> 189
>
> In this issue:
>
> Re: Documentation and pointers
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2003 18:32:15 -0400 (EDT)
> From: Wojtek Skulski <skulski{([at]})nowhere.xy> To: "Douglas G. Danforth" <danforth{([at]})nowhere.xy> Cc: blackbox{([at]})nowhere.xy> Subject: Re: Documentation and pointers
> Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.40.0308021754340.27386-100000{([at]})nowhere.xy>
> On Sat, 2 Aug 2003, Douglas G. Danforth wrote:
> > I am in the midst of reading the TextModels documentation since I wish
> > to understand how [--]
>
> Hmm. A short while ago I aired a similar comment to a more narrow audience
> and you remember how I was disciplined by our leader Fyodor. Are you
> not afraid of a similar reprimend?
>
> > In general for the Blackbox documentation it is not possible to step
> > into the middle of it and extract what one needs. One must absorb the
> > whole in order to use a part. This is not an optimal use of one's time.
>
> A similar opinion can be found in the draft book "Programming in BlackBox
>
> Oberon" by Brett S. Hallett:
> > This book is written from the perspective of a practicing programmer
> > who while trying to develop programs in Blackbox Oberon, found a lack
> > of useful developer information in the supplied documentation or the few
> > other sources available. [----]
>
> Brett also assessed the BlackBox "help" facility:
> > However I will say that the supplied help facility is not very
> > programmer friendly, it simply returns a index to every reference of
> > words entered, while powerful in its own right, is not very useful
> > when trying to find out how to call another GUI form, for example.
>
> You also wrote:
> > There must be some way that the Blackbox user community can help Ominc
> > improve its documentation.
>
> As far as I know Ominc are well aware of our opinions, and they have
> decided not to invest their time into either BB documentation or
> BB marketing as a product. Both issues are closely related. I therefore
> do not think it is realistic to "help Ominc" doing something they
> decided not to do. I think a more realistic programme is to step forward
> and do something ourselves, time permitting. I find books by Stan Warford
> and the draft book by Brett of immense help. Such projects are extremely
> time consuming.
>
> It is also possible to just start working on the current BB documentation
> by expanding what is missing and cross-referencing it using StdLinks,
> even without the new tools that you have proposed. This would run against
> the copyright note, but if the resulting documents are better than the
> original, it might be worth the violation. (It would be illegal, but not
> immoral to improve the current docu in such a way.) It is however possible
> that the result would not be good because of lack of insider knowledge
> of the software. My favorite example is Meta: just look how incomplete
> the Meta docu is. Would it be possible to improve this piece without access
> to insider knowledge about Meta?
>
> It seems to me that the user opinions about the current BB documentation
> are converging. The question is what can be done about it without Ominc.
> I found it very time consuming to write documentation similar to theirs,
> let alone any expanded version. I am not sure I can afford any more
> time. Can you?
>
> Wojtek
>
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