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}\htmlrtf \par \htmlrtf0 {\*\htmltag64}\htmlrtf {\htmlrtf0 \li360 Hi {\*\htmltag4 \par } {\*\htmltag84 }everybody! {\*\htmltag116
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}\htmlrtf \line \htmlrtf0 Firstly just a remark or question regarding this mailing {\*\htmltag4 \par } {\*\htmltag84 }list: {\*\htmltag116
}\htmlrtf \line \htmlrtf0 Is it so, that your own posts are not delivered to {\*\htmltag4 \par } {\*\htmltag84 }oneself? {\*\htmltag116
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}\htmlrtf \line \htmlrtf0 Following my replies: {\*\htmltag116
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}\htmlrtf \line \htmlrtf0 Wojtek Skulski wrote: {\*\htmltag4 \par } {\*\htmltag84 }{\*\htmltag72}\htmlrtf\par}\htmlrtf0 {\*\htmltag96}\htmlrtf \par {\htmlrtf0 {\*\htmltag128}\htmlrtf }\par \htmlrtf0 {\*\htmltag64}\htmlrtf {\htmlrtf0 \li360 Yes, there is a binary incompability. Sourcewise however {\*\htmltag4 \par } {\*\htmltag84 }it requires only minor changes if at all in order to recompile. {\*\htmltag116}\htmlrtf {\pard\plain\f1\fs20 \htmlrtf0 \htmlrtf {\htmlrtf0 \li720 Marco:\line \line I am not sure it is a good idea to branch off a new version\line of BlackBox competing for manpower and resorces with the main branch.\line Anyone who is attracted to your branch will face an incompatibility\line problem. It is therefore not realistic to expect the community\line to support your effort. Sorry for expressing a discouraging\line opinion.\line \htmlrtf\par}\htmlrtf0 {\*\htmltag136}\htmlrtf }\htmlrtf0 {\*\htmltag104
}\htmlrtf \line \htmlrtf0 {\*\htmltag4 \par } {\*\htmltag84 }{\*\htmltag72}\htmlrtf\par}\htmlrtf0 {\*\htmltag96}\htmlrtf \par {\htmlrtf0 {\*\htmltag128}\htmlrtf }\par \htmlrtf0 {\*\htmltag64}\htmlrtf {\htmlrtf0 \li360 Yes, the frequency can be increased. However there are {\*\htmltag4 \par } {\*\htmltag84 }limitations given by the OS. One cannot rely that BB is called at any defined {\*\htmltag4 \par } {\*\htmltag84 }frequency. {\*\htmltag116}\htmlrtf {\pard\plain\f1\fs20 \htmlrtf0 \htmlrtf {\htmlrtf0 \li720 On the other hand, looking at your website I am thrilled to see\line a phrase "Truly Cooperative Real Multi Tasking". I have not looked\line into the details, but I know from experience that the present tasking\line system is an elegant, but somewhat undercooked part of the official\line BlackBox. I have two major problems with the current official BlackBox\line tasking system:\line \line 1) The tasking system is activated with only 20 Hz frequency, which can be\line improved to about 100 Hz by recompiling the BlackBox. It is a bit slow,\line compared with, for example, USB-2, where the USB frames are acquired\line every millisecond. I have been able to process data from a slow A/D\line converter with BlackBox, but a somewhat faster A/D converter is presenting\line a problem. It would be good if the tasking system was called at higher\line frequency. I know that Dough Danforth looked into using a Windows\line 1-ms timer, but I am not sure, how far he went in this direction.\line \htmlrtf\par}\htmlrtf0 {\*\htmltag136}\htmlrtf }\htmlrtf0 {\*\htmltag104
}\htmlrtf \line \htmlrtf0 {\*\htmltag4 \par } {\*\htmltag84 }{\*\htmltag72}\htmlrtf\par}\htmlrtf0 {\*\htmltag96}\htmlrtf \par {\htmlrtf0 {\*\htmltag128}\htmlrtf }\par \htmlrtf0 {\*\htmltag64}\htmlrtf {\htmlrtf0 \li360 This is the problem I really have solved. {\*\htmltag116}\htmlrtf {\pard\plain\f1\fs20 \htmlrtf0 \htmlrtf {\htmlrtf0 \li720 2) The tasking system freezes when one depresses a mouse button.\line It is plain not acceptable to stop the data acquisition when using\line the mouse.\line \htmlrtf\par}\htmlrtf0 {\*\htmltag136}\htmlrtf }\htmlrtf0 {\*\htmltag104
}\htmlrtf \line \htmlrtf0 I did this, {\*\htmltag4 \par } {\*\htmltag84 }because I could not accept it for an operational monitoring application. {\*\htmltag116
}\htmlrtf \line \htmlrtf0 {\*\htmltag4 \par } {\*\htmltag84 }{\*\htmltag72}\htmlrtf\par}\htmlrtf0 {\*\htmltag96}\htmlrtf \par {\htmlrtf0 {\*\htmltag128}\htmlrtf }\par \htmlrtf0 {\*\htmltag64}\htmlrtf {\htmlrtf0 \li360 No, I do not expect this at all. {\*\htmltag116}\htmlrtf {\pard\plain\f1\fs20 \htmlrtf0 \htmlrtf {\htmlrtf0 \li720 I do not know if you have addressed these problems.\line \line I am hoping that your solutions, if they are sound, will find a way\line into the official release. I am advocating that you join Oberon\line Microsystems this way or another and that both branches are merged into\line one.\line \htmlrtf\par}\htmlrtf0 {\*\htmltag136}\htmlrtf }\htmlrtf0 {\*\htmltag104
}\htmlrtf \line \htmlrtf0 Oberon Microsystems {\*\htmltag4 \par } {\*\htmltag84 }has made its point clear about this. {\*\htmltag116
}\htmlrtf \line \htmlrtf0 Yes it was my original intention or {\*\htmltag4 \par } {\*\htmltag84 }wish that BB 2.0 would become the official successor of BB 1.5. {\*\htmltag116
}\htmlrtf \line \htmlrtf0 This is {\*\htmltag4 \par } {\*\htmltag84 }mainly not possible because of the risk of additional large support overhead {\*\htmltag4 \par } {\*\htmltag84 }related to my extensions. {\*\htmltag116
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}\htmlrtf \line \htmlrtf0 On the other hand: I keep maintaining my {\*\htmltag4 \par } {\*\htmltag84 }branch, because I use it productively! {\*\htmltag116
}\htmlrtf \line \htmlrtf0 And if others who have faced the {\*\htmltag4 \par } {\*\htmltag84 }limitations of BB 1.x want to overcome these and contribute, then there could {\*\htmltag4 \par } {\*\htmltag84 }be great potential! {\*\htmltag116
}\htmlrtf \line \htmlrtf0 {\*\htmltag4 \par } {\*\htmltag84 }{\*\htmltag72}\htmlrtf\par}\htmlrtf0 {\*\htmltag96}\htmlrtf \par {\htmlrtf0 {\*\htmltag128}\htmlrtf }\par \htmlrtf0 {\*\htmltag112}\htmlrtf {\pard\plain\f1\fs20 \htmlrtf0 \htmlrtf {\htmlrtf0 \li720 Thank you for your effort!\line \line Wojtek\line \line \line On Sat, 17 Nov 2007, Marco Ciot wrote:\line \line \htmlrtf\par}\htmlrtf0 {\*\htmltag136}\htmlrtf }\htmlrtf0 {\*\htmltag0 \par } {\*\htmltag240 } {\*\htmltag96}\htmlrtf \par {\htmlrtf0 {\*\htmltag128}\htmlrtf }\par \htmlrtf0 {\*\htmltag128}\htmlrtf {\pard\plain\f1\fs20 \htmlrtf0 \htmlrtf {\htmlrtf0 \li1080 That is my branch of BlackBox where I have extended many things\line and done so in an elegant fashion.\line If you'd like to have a look at it: {} {\*\htmltag84 }\htmlrtf {\field{\*\fldinst{HYPERLINK "http://blackbox.ciot.org"}}{\fldrslt\cf1\ul \htmlrtf0 http://blackbox.ciot.org\htmlrtf }\htmlrtf0 \htmlrtf }\htmlrtf0 {\*\htmltag92 }\line I had some time ago considered opening a separate mailing list\line in order to push BB 2.0.\line I didn't do it until now due to lack of interest.\line Best regards\line Marco\line \htmlrtf\par}\htmlrtf0 {\*\htmltag136}\htmlrtf }\htmlrtf0 {\*\htmltag104}\htmlrtf {\pard\plain\f1\fs20 \htmlrtf0 \htmlrtf {\htmlrtf0 \li720 {\*\htmltag244 }\line \line \htmlrtf\par}\htmlrtf0 {\*\htmltag136}\htmlrtf }\htmlrtf0 {\*\htmltag104
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