[BLACKBOX] BlackBox after Oms - Forum

From: [at]} <Robert>
Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2013 20:57:25 +0100

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Hello

When I started this thread I had already intended to start a companion "BlackBox
after Oms - Code Base".

So I am pleased that this conversation has already begun.

Much of what has been said I agree with, quite a bit I don't understand, and
about a little I hold a different opinion, or at least a different emphasis.


Rene's list is interesting, but too much to do all at once. My suggested first
priorities are:

1=) Agree a new inclusive communication forum.

1=) Set up an authoritative 'Centre'.


We need the forum to discuss who / what the Centre is, and to give it its authority.
One of the Centre's first tasks is to define, or at least endorse, the
'Official' discussion forum.

This is why these priorities cannot be ordered sequentially.

3) Establish, maintain, and give authority to BlackBox Code base 'A'. (I am
deliberately giving it a temporary name that is not
associated with any previous code base.)

It would have the following properties:

a) - Based on Oms BlackBox 1.6 rc6, Build 8-9-2008.
b) - Supports exactly the same functionality as 1.6 rc 6; no new functionality.
c) - Includes bug fixes after they are properly reviewed / documented.

One might call it 'Stable', but I worry that that term implies some specific
(low) update frequency. The update frequency of 'A' would be driven
by need. When fixes are needed and available they should be applied.


There will be later code bases (I hope), but we should not discuss them now;
that discussion should be hosted and concluded by the Centre when it exists.


I believe that Code base A is an urgent and important priority.

Currently Helmut Zinn has reported on (I think) 5 or 6 variants he has. I have
my own (rc 6 + whatever fixes on the Oms mail list I thought were
relevant and I copied correctly). There is a variant on Gitorious. There is a
variant on Redmine. There may well be 1 or many more on OberonCore - I don't know.
There is rc6 itself.

This confusion must be stopped.


Since Russia is where most BlackBox activity seems to be taking place, it is
natural that the Centre might be heavily influenced by Russian members. I have no
problem with that. But if it is in fact OberonCore that becomes the centre we
need to ensure that the Oms list members do not feel totally excluded. They
should all feel that they could
apply to join the centre, although I am sure Wojtek will not be the only one not
to do so in a hurry.


Rene's observation that Oms' decision to abandon BlackBox was a necessary move
to trigger active discussion of starting an BB OpenSource project is
interesting. Maybe they also need to close this list to encourage us to move to
a new forum?


Finally I would like a clearer explanation of the relationships between:

- OberonCore
- Ivan's Gitorious project
- Ivan's Redmine initiative
- Oleg's zx.oberon2.ru/forum offer
- Any other organisations I don't even know about.

We want to understand if any of these already provide the forum we (I ?) want,
or if something new and free from history is better.

(I have already expressed a personal opinion that a BlackBox specific project is
desirable, rather than being a small part of a wider Oberon activity.)


Best Regards

Robert.

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