Re: [BLACKBOX] The official position of the Russian OberonCore team about BlackBox Support

From: [at]} <Wojtek>
Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2013 01:43:07 -0400

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Fyodor:

without any intent of being patronizing, I highly recommend one or more of
the "gentle art" books. They really help in all kinds of situations. I
have greatly benefited myself from reading the "gentle art", despite the
occasional impression to the contrary which I always regret ten seconds
after sending a sloppy message to this list.

Here are the books available on Amazon. IMHO these books are highly
intelligent and fun to read.

The Gentle Art of Written Self-Defense (How to Write Your Way Out Of
Life's Delicate Situations) by Suzette Haden Elgin (Jun 1997)

How to Disagree Without Being Disagreeable: Getting Your Point Across with
the Gentle Art of Verbal Self-Defense... by Suzette Haden Elgin (Apr 8,
1997)

Hope it helps!

Wojtek


>> Or do I misunderstand something here?
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> I am forced to add a comment.
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> I've been worried for a while about inadequate styles of the Russian
> participants' messages (I recall some in the past that sounded rude with
> no offence actually intended, etc.).
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> Most Russians can neither speak nor write the international pidgin
> English.
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> Worst of all, they lack international experience sourly, with all the
> perspectives distorted as a result.
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> All I can suggest is to consider them (the messages) as an automatically
> translated output of an experimental artificial intelligence message
> generating tool.
>
> To my fellow Russians I suggest to avoid being fancy, familiar or ...
> official in their messages at all costs, to invest more time into English
> grammar, and to get the best English vocabularies with word use examples
> (Fowler's Learner's Dictionary etc.).
>
> This communication barrier is actually a serious issue.
> Let us hope things will be improving in this respect.
>
> cheers
> fyodor
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