Re: [BLACKBOX] Grouped or separate CPC modules?

From: Douglas G. Danforth <"Douglas>
Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2012 16:42:31 -0800

----boundary-LibPST-iamunique-163311491_-_- Content-type: text/plain W, So that would mean that the posting (description) on the CPC website under each topic would need to be sufficiently enticing. Is that what you are saying? You said "reading Robert's documents". Where did you get those documents. Were they after you downloaded and unpacked the files or were they from some other source? By the way, I have full module documentation for each of the My modules but one sees those only after one has downloaded and unpacked the files. -Doug On 1/10/2012 4:33 PM, Wojtek Skulski wrote: Doug: I would say that a comprehensive description of what these procedures are doing is perhaps more important than the means of delivery. If I know what is in there, and I determine from the description that I need it, then I will find a way to dig it out. But if I only know that "there is lots of perhaps interesting stuff in there", then I will not bother unpacking, whether it is easy or not. I vividly remember reading Robert's documents on Lib. Once I knew what was there, I went all the way to get the content. I knew that the installation difficulties did not matter. Whichever was the packing, I wanted the modules. W. Folks, Helmut and I are having a discussion about the best way to distribute software on CPC. Specifically about the 'My' subsystem. Helmut wants to put all modules belonging to 'My' into a single Quick-Start file but I feel that is not quite right since there will be many modules within 'My' but a user may not want all of those modules at any one time. For example, MyFiles and MyObjects are unrelated so that including both in a distribution for someone who only wants one of them put unnecessary software on the their machine. However, having a single encoded file containing all 'My' modules is convenient and easy to install whereas having many separate installations may make it more difficult to keep software in synch when there are modifications. So we throw out the question to the community and ask: "What is your preference? Grouped or separate?" -Doug Danforth ---- To unsubscribe, send a message with body "SIGNOFF BLACKBOX" to LISTSERV{([at]})nowhere.xy ---- To unsubscribe, send a message with body "SIGNOFF BLACKBOX" to LISTSERV{([at]})nowhere.xy ---- To unsubscribe, send a message with body "SIGNOFF BLACKBOX" to LISTSERV{([at]})nowhere.xy ----boundary-LibPST-iamunique-163311491_-_- Content-type: application/rtf Content-transfer-encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="rtf-body.rtf" e1xydGYxXGFuc2lcYW5zaWNwZzEyNTJcZnJvbWh0bWwxIFxkZWZmMHtcZm9udHRibA0Ke1xmMFxm c3dpc3NcZmNoYXJzZXQwIEFyaWFsO30NCntcZjFcZm1vZGVybiBDb3VyaWVyIE5ldzt9DQp7XGYy XGZuaWxcZmNoYXJzZXQyIFN5bWJvbDt9DQp7XGYzXGZtb2Rlcm5cZmNoYXJzZXQwIENvdXJpZXIg TmV3O319DQp7XGNvbG9ydGJsXHJlZDBcZ3JlZW4wXGJsdWUwO1xyZWQwXGdyZWVuMFxibHVlMjU1 O30NClx1YzFccGFyZFxwbGFpblxkZWZ0YWIzNjAgXGYwXGZzMjQgDQp7XCpcaHRtbHRhZzE5IDxo dG1sPn0NCntcKlxodG1sdGFnMiBccGFyIH0NCntcKlxodG1sdGFnMjQyICAgfQ0Ke1wqXGh0bWx0 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