[BLACKBOX] devotion to oberon (was Android development)

From: VDI <bernhardt.gunnar{([at]})nowhere.xy>
Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2011 09:48:23 +0200

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Dear Norayr,

what language is perceived as beautiful is in the observer's eye: IMO
 python is an extremely beautiful language and very friendly to
 beginners as you mention. The reason I haven't used it recently is
 that I miss features which only statically typed languages provide.

To go one step further I'm not shure whether I see Oberon (BB/gpcp) as
 a beautiful langugage: It's structure is simple to a degree which
 made me understand topics I previously failed to graps (abstract
 records, interfaces and frame works for instance). I feel at home
 with it, like the house you grew up in. You would not neccessarily
 find it beautiful whenever you visit your parents there...

You are correct about the additional efford you have to invest if you
 want to use BB/gpcp. Unfortunately I like to spend more time behind
 the wheel than below the car so to speak. I don't mind learning a few
 things about the machine I program (in my case the CLR), but in the
 end I want to reach a goal with the programming language.

Of course I'm glad that there are enthusiats like you, because if they
 weren't there would be no bindings and tools (like an IDE) for me to
 use.

These comments are certainly not helpful in any way. But it's a nice
 saturday morning so please don't mind me sharing my thougths...

best wishes
gunnar


> And even then, programming in Oberon for me means devotion. It's
 much
> easier to start programming with, let's say Python, because there
 are
> already bindings, there are libraries - everything is clear how to
 do
> However, if I want to express thoughts in in a beautiful (clever
> designed) language then I am ready to go hard way: prepare bindings
> myself, have more control over everything, spend more time in order
 to
> find ways to interface with the underlying system.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Norayr Chilingarian


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