Re: [BLACKBOX] Fwd: Re: [BLACKBOX] output with GP-CP

From: Douglas G. Danforth <"Douglas>
Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2010 14:31:14 -0700

----boundary-LibPST-iamunique-2134249443_-_- Content-type: text/plain Gunnar, I am really quite ignorant of .NET and what is its need. My original interest IN GP-CP was simply to extend any code that I write to multiple platforms, nothing more than that. So any discussion of 'delegates' or other high level constructs (even HTML) have little interest for me. I am not sure what .NET version I originally down loaded. I just searched the web and downloaded whatever the link pointed to. Thanks for your comments. -Doug Danforth On 10/25/2010 1:23 AM, gunnar bernhardt (VDI) wrote: Dough, my question would be which version of the .NET framework you deleted. I definitely agree with Chris that the 2.0 framework is enough for working with GP-CP. Unless of course you need shiny new extras like WPF and such. But you might consider using the 2.0 SDK since it features an excellent debugger and tools for browsing the interface of COM- and .NET -modules. On the question of size: Well I do not really know although I have a hunch: 1) They may be victims to what N. Wirth called "self-inflicted complexity". Take for instance delagetes: They are sealed classes and in some situation may be treated as such. If you want to apply them you need to create derived classes which you are not generally allowed to. So they build support into the language itself (perhaps into the runtime-routines as well). Getter- and Setter-Methods are another example: They hide implementation details from the user of a module but achieve only little more than exported record fields. 2) The framework features "out of the box" a number of pretty abstract and high-level concepts: Combine for instance complete UNICODE support with restricted execution of remote code... 3) They seem to have an internal rule to apply XML wherever possible. For instance I understood barely enough of ADO to use it productively, but ADO.NET is completely over my head. Generally speaking not all layers of abstractions are evidently necessary. Sometimes I pitty the programmers at Microsoft: They are victims to (sometimes dogmatic) downward compatibility, already insanely complex (and sometimes messy) systems and daily feature requests by their marketing departement. So don't judge them too harshly. regards gunnar ------------- From: BlackBox [mailto:BLACKBOX{([at]})nowhere.xy Douglas G. Danforth Sent: Saturday, 23 October 2010 8:32 AM To: BLACKBOX{([at]})nowhere.xy Subject: Re: [BLACKBOX] output with GP-CP I just deleted as much of the .NET framework as Microsoft would let me and gained back 2GB of disk space. I had hoped to use it for Gardens Point but never got around to it. Wow! I don't know what you had on there but you certainly don't need it to use GPCP to develop the sort of applications (and a whole lot more) that you can make with BlackBox. If you decide to try it again make sure you only install the v2.0 part of the .NET Framework. That's a ~20Mb installation file. Later versions are supersets of v2.0 (with weird and wonderful capabilities like LINQ and Lambda Calculus that I know nothing about) than corrected versions of v2.0. You will also start to fill up your hard disk if you install all of the MSDN documentation, Help files, sample code etc. that comes with the v2.0 SDK (~200Mb installation file). However, you do not need all of this locally unless you get really serious with development. Most of it is accessible on the Internet e.g. the Windows Forms documentation which covers most of the Desktop GUI stuff: http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/system.windows.forms(v=VS.80).aspx Regards, Chris Chris Burrows CFB Software http://www.cfbsoftware.com ---- To unsubscribe, send a message with body "SIGNOFF BLACKBOX" to LISTSERV{([at]})nowhere.xy ---- To unsubscribe, send a message with body "SIGNOFF BLACKBOX" to LISTSERV{([at]})nowhere.xy ---- To unsubscribe, send a message with body "SIGNOFF BLACKBOX" to LISTSERV{([at]})nowhere.xy ----boundary-LibPST-iamunique-2134249443_-_- Content-type: application/rtf Content-transfer-encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="rtf-body.rtf" e1xydGYxXGFuc2lcYW5zaWNwZzEyNTJcZnJvbWh0bWwxIFxkZWZmMHtcZm9udHRibA0Ke1xmMFxm c3dpc3NcZmNoYXJzZXQwIEFyaWFsO30NCntcZjFcZm1vZGVybiBDb3VyaWVyIE5ldzt9DQp7XGYy XGZuaWxcZmNoYXJzZXQyIFN5bWJvbDt9DQp7XGYzXGZtb2Rlcm5cZmNoYXJzZXQwIENvdXJpZXIg 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