Re: [BLACKBOX] Re [BLACKBOX] Seasons Greetings from Linuxland

From: [at]} <Norayr>
Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2010 23:08:16 +0400

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Okay, people there's a misunderstanding.
Possible reasons are: whether I didn't understand the message well
enough, or it wasn't explicit enough.
Anyway, I was saying, that despite the fact one can successfully develop
in C like languages, and do not "shoot himself" doesn't mean that safety
is not needed at anymore.

> Is this statement in support of Wirthian languages or just the opposite?
Actually yes, because I caught the thesis (which wasn't may be
expressed, as I see now) that "if there's no 100% warranty that safety
could be achieved by using safe technology, then safe technology is
useless".
Which is so obviously wrong, that I have been written my previous message.

that you wrote your statement
> yourself, you declared it wrong, and you are now disputing the other
> persons views based on the statement you created yourself.
Seems that like, indeed. :(

> INTEGRITY exists despite not being free software.
Surely.
Situation, well, reminded me non rational arguments of the free software
opponents, who say, that if there's a possibility of having malicious
features in the free software, then it is equally dangerous to use it,
as proprietary software.
Which doesn't make sense, because the probability of having a backdoor
in the free software is not equal to the probability of having a
backdoor in the proprietary software. That does not contradict to the
statement that proprietary software, let's say, INTEGRITY can be free
from malicious features. (but does not prove, because that couldn't be
proven without careful research of the source code)
Anyway, this talk is not about free vs prop software, I just brought an
example of the similar situation.
The problem is, as I said, I've made a mistake, and I sincerely
apologize for the wrong "transfer" of the situation.
I've participated this list for several years, signed with my name, not
been very active here, but still earned nice relationships with some of
the members.
I am very sorry for misunderstanding which happened.
I believe that I didn't offend senses of participants, and we can
continue to coexist in peace.

Norayr

On 12/27/10 19:53, Wojtek Skulski wrote:
>
>
> On Mon, 27 Dec 2010, Norayr Chilingarian wrote:
>
>> Life vests, condoms, and parachutes also not 100 percent safe.
>> However, jump without a parachute is not the
>> same as equipped.

>
> Is this statement in support of Wirthian languages or just the opposite?
>
>> Your argument is the same, as argument against free software like: "if
>> we do not have 100 percent warranty that
>> free software doesn't contain backdoors, then it is better to use
>> proprietary software in terms of backdoors."

>
> I am not sure that his argument was the same as your statement.
> With all due respect it seems to me that you wrote your statement
> yourself, you declared it wrong, and you are now disputing the other
> persons views based on the statement you created yourself.
>
>> Which is wrong, obviously.

>
> Not sure if it is wrong, and even less so "obviously". If it was
> obviously wrong, then operating systems like INTEGRITY would not exist.
> Yet it does exist despite not being free software. Check out the Green
> Hills website:
> http://www.ghs.com/products/rtos/integrity.html
>
> Sincerely,
> Wojtek
>

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