Re: [BLACKBOX] Mobile-device development

From: [at]} <belleza>
Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2008 00:16:02 +0000

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Hi!

I not a low level programmer, so forgive me if i'm making non sense.

My current employer got burnned by the dictated obsolecense of vb6
and has been looking for alternatives the last 2 years (RealBasic,
BlackBox, Chrome, Squeak, etc) From the several small projects we
have tested: BlackBox was the one i liked the most. But we are
looking to move from windows.

For crossplatform development i dream with a Component Pascal
Front_End/HLVM (http://hlvm.org/) and a fully portable framework
by using "LLVM virtual instruction set" instead of assembler for the
 system clases (http://llvm.org/docs/LangRef.html)

With some modules to bind to ICE (http://www.zeroc.com) and
FastCGI (http://www.fastcgi.com) We no longer will have excuse
to stay using Delphi, .Net/Mono at work

I know, just dreaming :-(

Diana Laura


> Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2008 11:13:38 +0200
> From: allot{([at]})nowhere.xy
> Subject: Re: [BLACKBOX] Mobile-device development
> To: BLACKBOX{([at]})nowhere.xy
>
> Thanks, Douglas.
>
> I see BlackBox as a good host system for realization
> system for crossplatform development. Under it,
> we can will use not only Oberon-2 and Component Pascal,
> but all of languages that we will need.
> First goal I would like to see universal assembler
> under BlackBox, which can be used for developing
> low-level modules. Writing these modules in assembler
> is more comprehensible than write directly in machine code.
>
> I've started project named EcoAsm (Extensible
> Component-Oriented Assembler) under BlackBox.
> Goal of this project is front-end for assembler,
> and plugable back-ends for translating assembler-specific
> mnemonics for different processors.
>
> Planned supporting such targets:
>
> Intel 80386+ (32 bit)
> Zilog Z80
> Intel 80x86 (16 bit)
> J2me bytecode (maybe)
>
> Difficulty of this project is "object file format".
> I'm not sure that BlackBox's .ocf will be enough for this idea.
>
> P.S. Btw, is another method for J2me development in Oberon-2.
> We can use XDS to translating Oberon-2 source to language C,
> and compiling it by GCC to MIPS binaries.
>
> Check project Cibyl-mips2java:
>
> cibyl-mips2java compiler (binary rewriter) that is provided
> with Cibyl. It translates MIPS binaries compiled with GCC
> into Java bytecode assembly.
> http://code.google.com/p/cibyl/
>
> (But it does not solve a problem of libraries).
>
> Imho the Oberon-2 is best of all compilable programming languages now.
> But why it known and used so little - a riddle. I am afraid, the Oberon-2
> needs the powerful industrial centre coordinating one big standard
> for crossplatform compiler _and libraries_. Enthusiasts prefer to make
> the small extensions of Oberon-2 under the specific targets and goals.
> It sprays forces of and so too small Oberon community.
>
>
> Oleg N. Cher,
> Colossoft Research.
> allot{([at]})nowhere.xy
> 2008-02-17
>
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