- CP to NET: A caveat

From: [at]} <Robert>
Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 21:00:03 +0100

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Les May wrote:
> But 'it ain't gonna happen' is it? Which is why it seems important to
> decide what it is about BB and CP that is really important to each
> user. The ease of creating a GUI or the reliability and program
> correctness possible with CP?
>
> Les May
Neither on it's own, or even both in combination. I have often wondered
what exactly is good about
BlackBox. From my own experience I KNOW that it is better that a 'naked'
Modula II compiler. I suspect that
both the language and the framework (which is more than a GUI builder)
are important. The best I can do
is use the word 'interactive'.

However Fyodor has done an excellent job of explaining it (his comments
are worth repeating; I do so below).

I note that he also used the word interactive!


Regards

Robert



Quote from F.V.Tkachov, May 22, 2006 ...

> Why does BB generate such enthusiasm from its converts?

The BlackBox (Oberons) environement has an interactive feel while
providing an efficient compiled language -- and a remarkably fast and
efficient development cycle -- better than anything for smaller
projects. (And, Les, PLEASE dont assume we've never seen anything but
BB...)

1)
A language which is:
-- efficiently compiled;
-- garbage collected (the true reason for increased productivity in
Java, and the main reason of popularity of "dynamic languages");
-- carefully designed to minimize inadvertent bugs;
-- carefully designed to provide a set of easily combinable, largely
orthogonal constuctive features;
-- carefully designed NOT to contain fancy garbage of questionable value
that serves mostly to bog down programmers.

2)
BlackBox GUI construction features allow designing GUI applications with
custom interactive graphics fine-tuned to the particular application
(Wojtek Skulski designed one for experimental physics uses -- see his
Gr; Robert Campbell designed one for his warplane engineers; I am
designing one for tritium decay studies [note for a biologist: tritium
is the stuff used in H-bombs]).
In terms of GUI power, BlackBox, being 13 years old, is ahead of .NET!!!!!

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