- Freestanding Blackbox applications?

From: CFB Software <"CFB>
Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 10:38:11 +0930

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> -----Original Message-----
> From: blackbox{([at]})nowhere.xy
> Behalf Of Alexander Iliin
>
> Fortunately, there is an even better alternative for those who want
> to write small windows platform-dependent API-based programs in
> Oberon. Its name is XDS. Free and very effective optimizing compiler
> supporting Oberon[-2] and Modula[-2] (mixed-language projects fully
> supported). It became freeware in May, 2005. Available for both
> Windows and Linux. Standalone executables? A single key press.
>
> Also features: IDE (quite outdated already: must be installed in a
> path with no long file names, or it won't find its compiler),
> interactive debugger, multithreading support, built-in assembler and
> disassembler.
>
> GUI must be done through API, no framework here. Amadeus-3 is out
> there somewhere, but I never saw it actually, only read manual.
>

Avoid comparing chalk with cheese, apples with oranges etc. - it makes no
sense.

I've tried XDS (briefly) a couple of times and soon discovered that
generally it is far inferior to BlackBox as a development system for Windows
applications.

If XDS supports Linux obviously it is currently infinitely better than
BlackBox in that respect.

Yes - building a freestanding fully-functional GUI app is tricky in
BlackBox. However, it is next to impossible in XDS.

However, if you do what you *have* to do in XDS, but is an *option* in
BlackBox i.e. do GUI through the API, then the resulting BlackBox standalone
executable can be built with a simple single statement e.g.

  DevLinker.LinkExe Bezier.exe := TestBezier $ ~

and the resulting executable is a miserly 6KB. This is very easy to
demonstrate - coincidentally, a few days ago, I translated one of Charles
Petzold's classic Windows programming examples from the XDS Modula-2 version
into BlackBox.

The original was at:

http://www.winserion.org/Petzold/XDS/chap04/Bezier.mod.HTML

My BlackBox version is included below.

However, only a complete masochist would consider developing anything other
than simple GUI examples in this way in this day and age.

Where I do believe we agree with each other is that there is a real need for
a BlackBox tool for building freestanding GUI applications that:

a) Needs minimal user input

b) Requires minimal knowledge of the murky depths of the BlackBox framework

c) Only includes the modules that are absolutely necessary for the task at
hand.

The job appears to be about 90% done - it would be a pity if the remaining
10% couldn't be polished off.

Regards,

Chris Burrows
CFB Software
http://www.cfbsoftware.com
 

TestBezier.odc Notes:

1. I'd be surprised if the XDS version actually works. I found a few
apparent bugs in the original.

2. Before you compile it you need to modify <BlackBox>\Win\Mod\Api.odc I
think there are some errors in the BlackBox WinApi definition. PolyBezier
was defined as:

  PROCEDURE PolyBezier* ["GDI32.dll", ""] (p0: HDC; VAR [nil] p1: POINT; p2:
INTEGER): BOOL;
        
I believe it should be:
 
  PROCEDURE PolyBezier* ["GDI32.dll", ""] (p0: HDC; VAR [nil] p1: ARRAY
[untagged] OF POINT; p2: INTEGER): BOOL;

There are several other related functions that should have an ARRAY OF POINT
as a parameter instead of just a single POINT - unless of course there is
some underhand kludging going on here.

3. The command to build the freestanding exe is at the end of the source
code. It creates a fully self-contained 6k exe.

4. Once Bezier.exe is running, click on either of the mouse buttons when
moving the mouse to change the co-ordinates of the Bezier array and it will
redraw the corresponding curve for you.


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