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> Does this then not again lead into Ivory Tower thinking? CP is for learning how to do it right, and when we go to real problems, we use real languages like C++ and Java.
No. The first language is extremely important as a formative experience.
Fortran programmers think (and actually write) fortran when they turn to other languages.
Students whose first experience was with Oberon/CP will think and write correspondingly.
> See, and a good policy could be to include a cross-compiler to C++ and Java.
Yes, that's a project that suggests itself.
> to do the work in Oberon and then do it again in "a real language".
More examples: "Oberon--unrecognized jewel", "although not widely supported commecially"...
This kind of word use is a message to any bystander not to bother.
Let's watch our tongues even in this mailing list.
> M2 was used quite a bit in education, but it was hardly used in the "real world".
Some large-scale projects based on M2 seem to fall into "classified" category...
> It has to be fast and cheap. That's it.
No. It also has to be correct and reliable. Understanding on the part of managers that these qualities depend on the language used is only achieved slowly. In the more mission-critical areas it is there. From there, it will trickle down elsewhere.
> You can hunt cows by driving them down a cliff, or you can throw stones at them. Both'll work. > If you throw stones, you have to really aim at your target. That's the secret.
> But if you don't have the masses (money) to drive the cows
> and you are unable to aim (know your target, and support and advertise them), you'll starve.
When there are no cows in sight, only faster and smaller creatures, stone-throwing will be one's only chance to escape starvation.
Cheers
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