Re: BB-Future

From: Douglas G. Danforth <"Douglas>
Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 15:31:43 -0400

----boundary-LibPST-iamunique-65848275_-_-
Content-type: text/plain

Hi,
My knee-jerk reaction is that much of BlackBox is built on top of
Microsoft operating system calls which restricts where BlackBox can run.
  It was Oberon Microsystems Inc early decision to make BlackBox have
the look and feel of the host operating system rather than Dr. Wirth's
decision to have a fixed user interface that didn't chance from platform
to platform.

Hence the GPCP-Java Byte Code Compiler would be problematic for BlackBox
attempting to emmulate Microsoft. But then again, it is claimed that
BlackBox is portable (but how portable?).

Just my opinion.

-Doug


Jürgen Rolshoven wrote:

> Hi,
>
> last summer Oberon Mircrosystems reported that the BB-Compiler would
> become Open Source. This sparked off intensive discussion. I do not
> know wheather usage of the GPCP-Java Byte Code Compiler project at QUT
> (John Gough, Paul Roe et al.) has been considered. This would of
> course also entail substituting/porting the Blackbox Componenent
> Sources to Java - however, on a very elementary level.
>
> I would hierwith like to ask opinion on this possibility.
>
> Jürgen Rolshoven
>
> Linguistic Data Processing - University of Cologne
>
> --------------------------------------------
>
> To unsubscribe from this mailing list, send a message containing the
word "unsubscribe" to:
> blackbox-request{([at]})nowhere.xy
>
> To get a list of valid e-mail commands and instructions on their
usage, send a message containing the word "help" to the above address.
>
> Send any problem reports or questions related to this email list to
the list owner at
> owner-blackbox{([at]})nowhere.xy
>
> Current posting policy:
>
> a) To post you should use the same address by which you are
subscribed to the mailing list. That way, the list server will recognize
you as subscriber and forward your posting immediately, without creating
any overhead.
>
> b) If, for some reason, you cannot post from the address, by which
you are subscribed, your message will be moderated to avoid spam. Please
understand that moderation will often cause some delay, in particular
over weekends or holydays.
>
>


--------------------------------------------

To unsubscribe from this mailing list, send a message containing the word "unsubscribe" to:
   blackbox-request{([at]})nowhere.xy

To get a list of valid e-mail commands and instructions on their usage, send a message containing the word "help" to the above address.

Send any problem reports or questions related to this email list to the list owner at
   owner-blackbox{([at]})nowhere.xy

Current posting policy:

a) To post you should use the same address by which you are subscribed to the mailing list. That way, the list server will recognize you as subscriber and forward your posting immediately, without creating any overhead.

b) If, for some reason, you cannot post from the address, by which you are subscribed, your message will be moderated to avoid spam. Please understand that moderation will often cause some delay, in particular over weekends or holydays.


----boundary-LibPST-iamunique-65848275_-_-
Content-type: application/rtf
Content-transfer-encoding: base64
Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="rtf-body.rtf"
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----boundary-LibPST-iamunique-65848275_-_---
Received on Thu Oct 21 2004 - 21:31:43 UTC

This archive was generated by hypermail 2.3.0 : Thu Sep 26 2013 - 06:28:33 UTC